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How Will The US End?

How Will The US End?

  • Conquered by a foreign force

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Dissolve by internal forces

    Votes: 11 45.8%
  • End of the human race

    Votes: 3 12.5%
  • Other

    Votes: 10 41.7%

  • Total voters
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I've been reading a lot of history lately, especially Byzantine history, which has fascinated me, especially how you have this thousand-year empire that eventually just couldn't take any more.

It's made me wonder... how do you think the United States will end as a distinct political entity?

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What separates the US from the rest of history is that the US isn't an Empire. An Empire consisted of one group ruling over many other groups, and eventually, one of the many groups rebel, and secede, taking territory with them, and it goes on and on, until there are no more territories.

The US isn't an empire, because the Federal Government, treats all it's subjects (states) equally. Currently, there is no one group ruling over the whole United States, all the States are equal in power, one state, or the Federal Government can't do anything drastic without the consent of every state. There is currently no hard-done feeling in any state for them to secede.

Differently, would be the British Empire. One group, a small Island, ruled a quarter of the world, from Canada to India to Fiji. The Indians were the first to leave, taking India with them, then we get the second group, the Africans, then we get the Islands, etc. Now look, it only took 25 years after the war for Britain to go from ruling a quarter of the world, to ruling a few small islands across the atlantic and the pacific.

The Byzantine was the same. One group, the Emperor in particular, ruled a vast amount of land. The same with the Roman Empire as a whole, the Emperor, as one, and one city, Rome, ruled an even vaster amount of land.

With all that said, I'd say the United States wouldn't end through [internal] disintergration, or by secession.
 
The United States, ie, that nation defined by the Constitution of the United States, has already ceased to exist, dissolved by criminal socialist elements.

All that's happening now is the disposition of the corpse of a once great nation. Will the worms get her, or will she be picked apart by scavengers? Does it really matter, when she's already dead?
 
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What separates the US from the rest of history is that the US isn't an Empire. An Empire consisted of one group ruling over many other groups, and eventually, one of the many groups rebel, and secede, taking territory with them, and it goes on and on, until there are no more territories.

The US isn't an empire, because the Federal Government, treats all it's subjects (states) equally. Currently, there is no one group ruling over the whole United States, all the States are equal in power, one state, or the Federal Government can't do anything drastic without the consent of every state. There is currently no hard-done feeling in any state for them to secede.

Differently, would be the British Empire. One group, a small Island, ruled a quarter of the world, from Canada to India to Fiji. The Indians were the first to leave, taking India with them, then we get the second group, the Africans, then we get the Islands, etc. Now look, it only took 25 years after the war for Britain to go from ruling a quarter of the world, to ruling a few small islands across the atlantic and the pacific.

The Byzantine was the same. One group, the Emperor in particular, ruled a vast amount of land. The same with the Roman Empire as a whole, the Emperor, as one, and one city, Rome, ruled an even vaster amount of land.

With all that said, I'd say the United States wouldn't end through [internal] disintergration, or by secession.


You're describing the Second British Empire.

The disintegration of the First British Empire began on July 4, 1776.
 
It isn't going to happen.

Give up the hippy-ish nonsensical bull****.
 
It isn't going to happen.

Give up the hippy-ish nonsensical bull****.

You think the United States will continue to exist forever? Forever is quite a long time. History would suggest that even the most powerful states don't last much more than 500 years or so.

I would rank the most likely ways the United States will end in the following order:

A) Gradual evolution into something else, most likely a superstate.
B) The extinction of humans.
C) The de facto end of ALL conventional states because technology renders them meaningless.
D) Everything else.
 
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You think the United States will continue to exist forever? Forever is quite a long time. History would suggest that even the most powerful states don't last much more than 500 years or so.

I would rank the most likely ways the United States will end in the following order:

A) Gradual evolution into something else, most likely a superstate.
B) The extinction of humans.
C) The de facto end of ALL conventional states because technology renders them meaningless.
D) Everything else.


Enough of your hippyish spewage!
 
You think the United States will continue to exist forever? Forever is quite a long time. History would suggest that even the most powerful states don't last much more than 500 years or so.

I would rank the most likely ways the United States will end in the following order:

A) Gradual evolution into something else, most likely a superstate.
B) The extinction of humans.
C) The de facto end of ALL conventional states because technology renders them meaningless.
D) Everything else.

Do you think that humans would ever go extinct? I think that we are nearing a time and technology that might enable humans to live on forever... though I know, that if the Universe collapes all life might end, but it is theoritically possible to use worm holes and such to escape even that event.
 
It isn't going to happen.

Give up the hippy-ish nonsensical bull****.

Yes eventually the US will end, everything dies eventually. Humanity follows a very simple pattern. We build ourselves up to greatness, we reach the height of power the power and for a while everything is good. Then eventually we fall, this is what always happens. The fall may be long or slow but eventually something will take us down. Personally I think the US will be destroyed internally, and then we will split up into many smaller nations.
 
Do you think that humans would ever go extinct? I think that we are nearing a time and technology that might enable humans to live on forever... though I know, that if the Universe collapes all life might end, but it is theoritically possible to use worm holes and such to escape even that event.

If we can survive the next 30-40 years or so, then yes, I think everyone still alive will be able to live indefinitely.

But that's a big if.
 
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Having set our sights on the moon and beyond, America will eventually make first contact with aliens who will favor us for our drive, ingenuity, and curiosity......and our movie and musical value. They will offer to take our nation to their planet in order to merge cultures because their own culture is beyond boring. Meanwhile, back on Earth, Europe and the rest of the world will be left in the capable hands of Russia and China and everybody lives happily ever after.
 
Having set our sights on the moon and beyond, America will eventually make first contact with aliens who will favor us for our drive, ingenuity, and curiosity......and our movie and musical value. They will offer to take our nation to their planet in order to merge cultures because their own culture is beyond boring. Meanwhile, back on Earth, Europe and the rest of the world will be left in the capable hands of Russia and China and everybody lives happily ever after.

I'm down with that...:cool:
 
The states will secede and go their separate ways.

But not for quite some time. I dare say we will yet see the American Tricentennial.

My question to anyone who things the US will dissolve is: why? Why would states leave the union, or why would the US as an entity dissolve?

My prediction is a massive and unexpected strike from a country that pretends to befriend us to appease us until its aggression against us.....China

many factors in history and present lead me to believe this is very likely

Why would they even want to conquer us?
 
My question to anyone who things the US will dissolve is: why? Why would states leave the union, or why would the US as an entity dissolve?



Why would they even want to conquer us?

It would be a passive aggressive act brought on by the U.S. sticking it's nose in the business of the Chinese ancient culture and influencing China's loss of Thaiwan. They have expressed their great disdain for thaiwans dissent in many ways, but we interfear.

The only reason China is interested in increasing their economic status is to be a military contender against the U.S.
This is clearly shown by how they are taking most their profit and puting it toward their military and technology to knock out our satellites.

They know that in a pre-emptive strike which includes simultaniously knocks out our satellites we are instantly on a level playing field.
 
It would be a passive aggressive act brought on by the U.S. sticking it's nose in the business of the Chinese ancient culture and influencing China's loss of Thaiwan. They have expressed their great disdain for thaiwans dissent in many ways, but we interfear.

Uhh a full-scale invasion of a nation of 300 million people is a "passive aggressive act" in retaliation for our interference with a minor territorial dispute which has persisted for 50 years? Seems a bit drastic...and far-fetched.

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The only reason China is interested in increasing their economic status is to be a military contender against the U.S.

And you base that on what? Perhaps the Chinese have the same motives for economic development as everyone else: They don't want to be in poverty.

creativedreams said:
This is clearly shown by how they are taking most their profit and puting it toward their military and technology to knock out our satellites.

China's military budget is about 6% of the United States' military budget, despite having a GDP (purchasing power parity) that is nearly 50% of the United States.

creativedreams said:
They know that in a pre-emptive strike which includes simultaniously knocks out our satellites we are instantly on a level playing field.

Why would China want to knock out our satellites? That would royally screw them over too.
 
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Why would China want to knock out our satellites? That would royally screw them over too.

Haven't you heard of their successful tests in knocking out satellites with rockets. Exactly how many reasons can you give for this that don't include hitting down our satellites?
 
Haven't you heard of their successful tests in knocking out satellites with rockets. Exactly how many reasons can you give for this that don't include hitting down our satellites?

Off the top of my head...six.
1. Hitting someone else's satellites, 2. Just trying a provocation to see how the US will respond, 3. Hitting specific satellites rather than trying to hit them ALL, 4. Demonstrating to the world that China is now a space power (for acceptance), 5. Demonstrating to their own people that China is now a space power (for pride), 6. To see if it works as a precursor to future space technology.

And let's not forget that the United States has this technology too, but it doesn't mean that we're going to start shooting down Chinese satellites.
 
Off the top of my head...six.
1. Hitting someone else's satellites, 2. Just trying a provocation to see how the US will respond, 3. Hitting specific satellites rather than trying to hit them ALL, 4. Demonstrating to the world that China is now a space power (for acceptance), 5. Demonstrating to their own people that China is now a space power (for pride), 6. To see if it works as a precursor to future space technology.

And let's not forget that the United States has this technology too, but it doesn't mean that we're going to start shooting down Chinese satellites.

What would the U.S.'s attitude be toward China if Hawaii and Alaska seperated from the U.S. and became communist mainly due to China's influence and backing?
 
What would the U.S.'s attitude be toward China if Hawaii and Alaska seperated from the U.S. and became communist mainly due to China's influence and backing?

Uhh we'd probably be pissed off. But a few differences: 1) This dispute has been going on for 50 years...it's not like the US suddenly took Taiwan away from China, 2) Taiwan didn't change governments...the mainland did, 3) The US hasn't done much to provoke China...in fact it has discouraged Taiwan from declaring independence.

The Taiwan dispute will eventually resolve itself. I find it highly unlikely that THIS is the conflict that we need to be worried about. There are at least six or seven other conflicts higher up on my list of things to worry about.
 
Whatever the international community has against us, it wouldn't do to almost any of them, I think, were we to be destroyed. I mean, hell is for heroes - it would just crystallize what we were about.

In order to see the end of us, they need to prove to us that we aren't what we think we are - that for instance the revolution was the irresponsible, greed-fueled act of slave-owners, and thank god it could never happen, let alone need to today.

It might sound like paranoia but that's how I think it will go down if it does.
 
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I've been reading a lot of history lately, especially Byzantine history, which has fascinated me, especially how you have this thousand-year empire that eventually just couldn't take any more.

It's made me wonder... how do you think the United States will end as a distinct political entity?

Some unnamed poster from this board will get appointed president like Bush 43 did. Then they will proceeded to hit the red button to nuke the liberal scum in this nation.:mrgreen:
 
Some unnamed poster from this board will get appointed president like Bush 43 did. Then they will proceeded to hit the red button to nuke the liberal scum in this nation.:mrgreen:

I like the Scooby-Doo ending better. :mrgreen:
 
Some unnamed poster from this board will get appointed president like Bush 43 did. Then they will proceeded to hit the red button to nuke the liberal scum in this nation.:mrgreen:

Ooh ooh, pick me, pick me.....:2razz:

Actually I think the only way America loses its status as a world power, is by becoming more concerned with domestic/internal affairs, at the cost of withdrawing our presence elsewhere in the world.

Basically it would take a government with the foreign policy of Ron Paul, and the domestic policy of our current democrats to bring down this bull. We are halfway there....
 
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