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    Re: Would You Utilize Torture to Save a Life?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I need more information.

    Is it a certainty that the thug knows the information that could save my family? If it is not a certainty, he could be giving me false information just to get me to stop torturing him.
    It's a certainty. He is the only person in the world who can save your family. Torture is the only option - repeat - only option.

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    Re: Would You Utilize Torture to Save a Life?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Why, would you torture any other?
    Because Ethereal is using this poll as a subtle point about how others are allegedly wrong in the other torture thread.
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    Re: Would You Utilize Torture to Save a Life?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    I never mentioned any such scenarios, but for some reason you kept bringing them up; hence my attempt to preempt that particular brand of idiocy from rearing its malformed cranium in my poll.
    I cannot remember your exact posts but you and others posited or implied such situations. I'm not sure you did it much or I or others mentioned it much to you. The only time I directly remember was when you tried to defend Celticlord who certainly was guilty of the charge. It is fine for you not to want it said but to try and score points where you think you have less chanced of being called on it by labeling it idiotic is not.

    You see, the timeframe is of little consequence to me. If a known terrorist is in possession of actionable intelligence concerning enemy operations that will take place twenty-four hours from now or twenty-four years in the future we should make every effort to extract that information. Moreover, I wouldn't limit such extraction to information directly concerning terrorist operations; any actionable intelligence that could conceivably disrupt their chain-of-command or money supply would be subject to forcible extraction as well.
    The time-frame is very important to me.


    Didn't answer the question.
    You owe me an apology, I most certainly did answer the question, look in the poll. I was simply giving my reasoning there and maintaining that this simplistic moral ideas put about, particularly by the likes of Celticlord, are not helpful or a good thing.

    No surprise there. If you don't know what you'd do in such a situation then you don't know anything important about yourself.
    Not really, these scenario's are simplistic, they don't capture the complexities of life and human nature. One can learn very little from thinking about them.

    If you want to learn about morality and the problems it poses in life read Shakespeare.


    I'd do it. I certainly wouldn't enjoy it, nor would I want to remember it, but I'd do it. My family's safety means more to me than my own life, dignity, or honor; anyone who can't say the same thing is a pitiful coward.
    See such simplistic problems lead to such simplistic assertions. They are of little worth in dealing with real moral problems.

    Values and principles are to a degree formed in us through our families, friends, communities and such small-scale associations to be willing to say that these mean absolutely nothing compared to them coming to absolutely no harm is in my opinion to a degree to neglect the real worth and love of one's family, friends, community et al. It is my family, my community, my country that made me who I am, that taught me right from wrong and for me to completely surrender this just to grant them the basest kind of security is to me a far greater betrayal and cowardice towards them than to stand up for the principles they helped instill in me.

    I'm the most particularlist of men but even I would balk at simply asserting through simplistic scenarios that I would stop at nothing to make sure no harm came to them.
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    Re: Would You Utilize Torture to Save a Life?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    It's a certainty. He is the only person in the world who can save your family. Torture is the only option - repeat - only option.
    If it is an absolute certainty that he knows the information that would save my family, and torture is the only option, of course I would do it.

    Now, you made this an extremely narrow question, so I'd like to ask you this: what, precisely were you getting at/looking for?
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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: Would You Utilize Torture to Save a Life?

    To answer the initial post: Yes.

    For the socialists... if "It Takes a Village", to raise a child, doesn't this mean torture also acceptable to spare the life of a villager?

    Or are we "individuals" now?

    Seems common practice in the lands run by wacko socialists, communists... as they're always subjecting threats to The Village to places of Special Treatment.

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    Re: Would You Utilize Torture to Save a Life?

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    To answer the initial post: Yes.

    For the socialists... if "It Takes a Village", to raise a child, doesn't this mean torture also acceptable to spare the life of a villager?
    I suppose the socialist would say, "no, because the 'thug' is also a villager".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: Would You Utilize Torture to Save a Life?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I suppose the socialist would say, "no, because the 'thug' is also a villager".
    LOL.

    But aren't some Villagers "more equal than others"... which means some are deserving of Bondage and Discipline?

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    Re: Would You Utilize Torture to Save a Life?

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    LOL.

    But aren't some Villagers "more equal than others"... which means some are deserving of Bondage and Discipline?

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    No, all villagers would have equal access to "Bondage and Discipline". Hmmm...this sounds like an "interesting" society, we are creating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
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    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Would You Utilize Torture to Save a Life?

    Answer No
    Explanation Because I hold the lives of my family over a method (torture) that brings more misinformation than actual information.
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    Re: Would You Utilize Torture to Save a Life?

    Quote Originally Posted by peepnklown View Post
    Answer No
    Explanation Because I hold the lives of my family over a method (torture) that brings more misinformation than actual information.
    And if you're wrong?

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