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    Re: Would You Utilize Torture to Save a Life?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Ultimate good and ultimate evil. Best defined by + ∞ and -
    ∞. Always approaching but nearly never reaching.





    Seems similar to what I said above.
    Do you believe "ultimate" is movable depending upon the individual perspective, or is it a constant?


    The whole constitutes the relative morality of the situation. If I my perception of the situation is different from yours, and you are the initiator, my perception is as relevant as yours to the morality of the situation. I am part of the scenario and am part of the context. This cannot be separated out.
    Why can it be looked at in part?



    No, the receiver also has a hand in the context.
    Not in the act in and of itself. It's like looking at an individual strand of hair--the strand of hair is not the "hair-do," although it is always part of the hair-do (sorry lame analogy).

    If you are being mean, but I do not perceive it that way, the message is NOT universally mean.
    Not in context, no, but in its intention, it is. Further, there is agreement as to what "mean" is universally in that it is "not good." The social context is a construct. The construct is important to interaction and intention, but the act itself is not dependant upon it when evaluating whether or not there is an objective/absolute that is a standard by which individual acts can be measured in isolation of actual context.

    Both parts, and the third, the situation, have a part in the relative morality of the act.
    This is called meta-ethical analysis.

    We're talking about the same thing, but focusing on different aspects. The "continuum" you mentioned is the objective/absolute standard, but the action in social context is the meta-ethical analysis which is relative to the circumstances.

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    Re: Would You Utilize Torture to Save a Life?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    When I was a Marine I fantasized about killing people all the time; scratch that, terrorists aren't people.
    What an ignorant statement that is... First off, I know you won't understand this but I'll say it for others reading. Terrorist is subjective. Some people would call our invasion and subsequent occupation of Iraq as terrorism... not to mention a myriad of other dasterdly deeds the USA has pulled around the world.
    2nd, the people you call "terrorists", are simply misguided by their religion and many who were committed to Jihad have turned away from those ideals, so do they qualify as people now or are they still sub-human? The Marines sure did a good scrubbing of your noodle.

    Sometimes I guess.
    And does it make you feel better then to degrade or bully others?

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    Re: Would You Utilize Torture to Save a Life?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I'm a Reform Jew with a serious conservative lean. However, I am also a moral relativist. I don't find a lot of conflict with these positions.
    I thought in another thread you said you were liberal...

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    Re: Would You Utilize Torture to Save a Life?

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    I thought in another thread you said you were liberal...
    He means conservative Judaism, not conservative politics.

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    Re: Would You Utilize Torture to Save a Life?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
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    Re: Would You Utilize Torture to Save a Life?

    How come everybody puts themselves in the role of the torturer and not the victim?

    Torture is about not being able to stop other people from hurting you. It is about taking away a person's right to protect themselves.

    The premise of the OP is to see if you would torture someone who could help you save a family member. Which is just a hyperbolic way to get people to admit that yes, they would torture someone in that situation and in doing so then they must say that it's okay for governments to do it to POWs (I say governments because if the U.S. is going to do it with the support of it's people then look out Marines, the next time we get into it with a European or Asian country with an actual military, it's lights out for you).

    I have one more thing to add, torture is also about the victim believing that giving information will save their life at least if there is an urgent need for that info. If someone had information about a family member in danger I would imagine that time would be a factor so telling your victim that they'll have a quick death if they give the info up might not work so well.

    Just some things to ponder.

    Oh and sorry for melting down, I don't like getting ganged up on.
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    Re: Would You Utilize Torture to Save a Life?

    Quote Originally Posted by Saboteur View Post
    How come everybody puts themselves in the role of the torturer and not the victim?
    That's how right wing, holier than thou, selfish people think. As long as the deed is not being done to them, or their loved ones, then it's ok. Their morals, and sins, are very one sided. That's why I volunteer to water board that neanderthal (sorry neanderthals!) Sean Hannity.
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    Re: Would You Utilize Torture to Save a Life?

    Quote Originally Posted by Saboteur View Post
    How come everybody puts themselves in the role of the torturer and not the victim?
    Because that was the question asked: "Would you utilize torture to save a life?"

    Also, there aren't too many moral questions arising from being on the receiving end of such treatment. All the fun debates are on the side of the torturers.

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    Re: Would You Utilize Torture to Save a Life?

    Quote Originally Posted by Saboteur View Post
    Anything else you'd like to know?
    I'm not particularly interested in your personal details. I figured as long as you were going to ask me a series of irrelevant questions I'd follow suite.

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    Re: Would You Utilize Torture to Save a Life?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    This hypothetical scenario is an attempt to gauge one's moral position on torture.

    If you had to brutally torture a person in order to save the lives of your family, would you do it?

    The hypothetical assumes said person is a murderous thug who is directly responsible for endangering your family.
    Nope. Never. No how, no way. Huh-unh.

    Why? Because there is NO WAY to know if the person you're torturing knows anything (you telling me it's so don't mean squat; maybe you've got a grudge against said "murderous thug" and you're making this crap up because you're too weak to do the sick, twisted, UNAMERICAN job yourself). To assume otherwise is.... well, you know what they say about assumptions.

    On the flip side, if I stopped by to visit the folks and found them being beaten by some sick sadistic f**k, I'd go at 'im with whatever came to hand and wouldn't stop till his brains were pulp. Or I'd die tryin'.

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