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    Re: Would You Utilize Torture to Save a Life?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    And what frustrates me is that people like you will prattle about the immorality of things and then proceed to pile rationalization upon rationalization about why they would do that which they claim is immoral.

    If you cannot defend it as good, you should not do it. If you want to declaim torture as immoral, do not say that you would. If you are willing to torture, do not pontificate about its putative immorality. Such hypocrisy is what gives terrorists their victory.

    If you want to condemn torture as immoral, then do so and with a vengeance. Don't corrode your stance with hypocritical justifications and self-serving rationalizations.
    And as I've told you before, I'm not two dimensional like you. I don't see things as black and white, as not much in the world ever is.
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    Let the public school provide the basics, you as the parent can do the fine tuning.

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    Re: Would You Utilize Torture to Save a Life?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    And as I've told you before, I'm not two dimensional like you. I don't see things as black and white, as not much in the world ever is.
    Shades of grey are the result of sloppy thinking; thus they are contemptible.

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    Re: Would You Utilize Torture to Save a Life?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    1. This question assumes the functional mind is actually willing to give you any information; in such a case "torture" would be completely unnecessary, therefore your dichotomy is contextually irrelevant.

    2. What difference does it make? Regardless of how the information is obtained it will need to be corroborated. If our intelligence experts are willing to pay the opportunity costs associated with bad intel then I'm inclined to trust their judgment.
    The difference is that the broken mind, even if they want to give you the information you asked for, may not be as accurate as it were when their mind was whole.

    In other words, the information obtained through torture has been depreciated regardless of whether the victim is lying or not lying.
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    Re: Would You Utilize Torture to Save a Life?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Shades of grey are the result of sloppy thinking; thus they are contemptible.
    Sorry you have to live in a world that is so contemptible.
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    Re: Would You Utilize Torture to Save a Life?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    Sorry you have to live in a world that is so contemptible.
    I do not. Sorry that you choose to.

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    Re: Would You Utilize Torture to Save a Life?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    I do not. Sorry that you choose to.
    Sigh...I don't view the world just in 2 dimensions, so my world isn't contemptible like you suggested.

    Why is it so difficult for you to understand such simple things?
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    Re: Would You Utilize Torture to Save a Life?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    Sigh...I don't view the world just in 2 dimensions, so my world isn't contemptible like you suggested.

    Why is it so difficult for you to understand such simple things?
    Why is it so difficult to grasp that there can be right, and there can be wrong, and there can be no third alternative?

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    Re: Would You Utilize Torture to Save a Life?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Why is it so difficult to grasp that there can be right, and there can be wrong, and there can be no third alternative?
    Because the bolded is wrong.
    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
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    Re: Would You Utilize Torture to Save a Life?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    The difference is that the broken mind, even if they want to give you the information you asked for, may not be as accurate as it were when their mind was whole.
    Perhaps, perhaps not. The point is this: When the mind was previously "whole" it was completely unwilling to forfeit any information, otherwise "torture" would've been unnecessary; so, as previously stated, such a dichotomy is contextually irrelevant.

    In other words, the information obtained through torture has been depreciated regardless of whether the victim is lying or not lying.
    Are you suggesting they will somehow forget or neglect crucial pieces of information because they are under duress? I don't see this as being likely and even though it is a possibility - not a guarantee - it's a price our intelligence operatives were willing to pay, therefore I am inclined to trust their expertise on the matter over uninformed speculation.

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    Re: Would You Utilize Torture to Save a Life?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Shades of grey are the result of sloppy thinking; thus they are contemptible.
    Shades of gray are the reality of the world. Black or white thinking is absolutist, narrow-minded, shows no ability to think in an expansive way, and rarely if ever applies.
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