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    Re: Would You Utilize Torture to Save a Life?

    Quote Originally Posted by Duke View Post
    Oh, none whatsoever. See, I don't have a mother, I am the product of two suns colliding in a black hole. I fell to this "earth" a few decades ago.


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    Meh, that was almost witty, 4 out of ten.


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    Re: Would You Utilize Torture to Save a Life?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Meh, that was almost witty, 4 out of ten.
    I wasn't trying to be witty, I was trying to be ridiculous, and it seems to me that I pulled that much off. But thanks anyway, Simon Cowell.


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    Re: Would You Utilize Torture to Save a Life?

    Quote Originally Posted by Duke View Post
    I wasn't trying to be witty, I was trying to be ridiculous, and it seems to me that I pulled that much off. But thanks anyway, Simon Cowell.


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    ok my bad..... i agree, you are completley rediculous.


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    Re: Would You Utilize Torture to Save a Life?

    Just pointing out that "Two suns [sons] colliding in a black hole" sounds like an incestuous, interracial gay threesome to me.

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    Re: Would You Utilize Torture to Save a Life?

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    Mind if I modify your hypothetical just a tad?

    New Rule #1: Only one course of action is allowed. Once you get the information you like, you may only go to rescue your family member once.

    If you get to your destination and it is the wrong destination - your family is blown to smithereens. You get to live a long life regretting your action every single day.

    If you rescue your family the kidnappers are picked up by a giant claw and dropped either down the volcano of your choice, or in the prison of your choice.

    New Rule #2: In addition to being allowed to use torture you are allowed to use psychology, respect, befriending, etc. on your kidnapper.

    Now, would you still choose torture to get your information?
    You really are ignorant about how interrogation works. All interrogation techniques, including the ones fatuously derided as "torture," are psychological in nature. Everything about interrogation is geared towards manipulating a person's will and psyche.

    During the Spanish Inquisition, when a prisoner was brought for questioning by the inquisitors, first the prisoner was shown the implements of torture and told in some detail how they would be used to extract a confession. A fair number of prisoners brought before the Inquisition "confessed" with just that little bit of "psychology."

    A judicious and somewhat artful mixture of techniques is what will produce the most information--torture mixed with a bit of befriending, if you will.

    The alternate construction for the question might go thus: could you apply torture techniques in an interrogation if those were the levers best calculated to unlock the malefactor's tongue? (Keep in mind that even Dear Leader acknowledges the efficacy of torture)

    As for the rule #1, that's not a new rule--that was and should have been presumed from the beginning. Never presume you get a do-over.

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    Re: Would You Utilize Torture to Save a Life?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    You really are ignorant about how interrogation works. All interrogation techniques, including the ones fatuously derided as "torture," are psychological in nature. Everything about interrogation is geared towards manipulating a person's will and psyche.
    If anyone is ignorant here it is you and in a huge way! Torture is physical. It's meant to scare the **** out of someone, making them think they're going to be killed if they don't talk. So, they talk and they say ANYTHING to stop the torture.

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    Re: Would You Utilize Torture to Save a Life?

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    If anyone is ignorant here it is you and in a huge way! Torture is physical. It's meant to scare the **** out of someone, making them think they're going to be killed if they don't talk. So, they talk and they say ANYTHING to stop the torture.

    I would be happy to demonstrate on you for your education.



    So you are against torturing terrorists, but are for torturing Americans who disagree with your politically.



    Hypocrite much?


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    Re: Would You Utilize Torture to Save a Life?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    You really are ignorant about how interrogation works. All interrogation techniques, including the ones fatuously derided as "torture," are psychological in nature. Everything about interrogation is geared towards manipulating a person's will and psyche.

    During the Spanish Inquisition, when a prisoner was brought for questioning by the inquisitors, first the prisoner was shown the implements of torture and told in some detail how they would be used to extract a confession. A fair number of prisoners brought before the Inquisition "confessed" with just that little bit of "psychology."
    How many of them were true confessions and not just confessing to what the inquisitors wanted to hear so they wouldn't get tortured?

    There were people during this time that admitted to being witches to escape torture and even proclaiming their fake devotion to Jesus. All done to escape torture and none the truth.


    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    A judicious and somewhat artful mixture of techniques is what will produce the most information--torture mixed with a bit of befriending, if you will.
    Where does that end? Can we shove a double barrel shotgun in their mouth and hook the trigger up to a lie detector? If they tell the truth there won't be any physical harm right? It's just psychological. How about dropping them out of an airplane at 40,000 feet without a parachute and having someone with a parachute catch them at the last minute. It's just psychological.

    Can the torturers be as creative as possible as long as they simply don't cause any lasting physical harm?
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    Re: Would You Utilize Torture to Save a Life?

    This is hardly a question about torture. Instead it's a question on family morals. Anybody with a family should be expected to answer "yes". Me loving my family causes me to be clouded with hatred. If this question was about policy, not family I think the results would be much different. However, to answer your question: Yes I would torture a thug to save a family member. However, let it be known that I do not advocate torture but am tied by polarizing emotions. Call me a hypocrite.

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    Re: Would You Utilize Torture to Save a Life?

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    If anyone is ignorant here it is you and in a huge way! Torture is physical. It's meant to scare the **** out of someone, making them think they're going to be killed if they don't talk. So, they talk and they say ANYTHING to stop the torture.
    "Meant to scare" makes it physical and not psychological?

    Liberal logic is ever a contradiction in terms.

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