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Thread: Waterboarding vs Sleep Deprivation

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    Waterboarding vs Sleep Deprivation

    So I've been thinking about this and I'm curious what you all think. Most of the hysteria about the recently released memos involves the waterboarding. It's been called monstrous, heinous, etc. But not many folks get hysterical in the same way about the sleep deprivation.

    However if you look both things up the sleep deprivation to me sounds much worse.

    It causes actual physical damage. Lower cortisol levels, lowered immune system, hallucinations, and even possibly psychosis.

    The process lasts much longer.

    You know keeping them awake must involve loud noises, taunting, perhaps squirting with hoses, and eventually I'm thinking there must be some physicality involved because no matter how noisy you are being a tired prisoner is eventually just going to collapse into sleep. So at some point the prisoner is probably manhandled awake.

    The mental anguish of sleep deprivation seems like it would be more haunting than the waterboarding - to me -if only because the memories of it will be larger, longer, and the process will probably involve far more aggressors when the job is not letting you sleep for days.

    So which do you all think is worse waterboarding or sleep deprivation?

    And if you think they're equal than how come we seem to talk or care more about the waterboarding???

    Just curious.

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    Re: Waterboarding vs Sleep Deprivation

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    So I've been thinking about this and I'm curious what you all think. Most of the hysteria about the recently released memos involves the waterboarding. It's been called monstrous, heinous, etc. But not many folks get hysterical in the same way about the sleep deprivation.

    However if you look both things up the sleep deprivation to me sounds much worse.

    It causes actual physical damage. Lower cortisol levels, lowered immune system, hallucinations, and even possibly psychosis.

    The process lasts much longer.

    You know keeping them awake must involve loud noises, taunting, perhaps squirting with hoses, and eventually I'm thinking there must be some physicality involved because no matter how noisy you are being a tired prisoner is eventually just going to collapse into sleep. So at some point the prisoner is probably manhandled awake.

    The mental anguish of sleep deprivation seems like it would be more haunting than the waterboarding - to me -if only because the memories of it will be larger, longer, and the process will probably involve far more aggressors when the job is not letting you sleep for days.

    So which do you all think is worse waterboarding or sleep deprivation?

    And if you think they're equal than how come we seem to talk or care more about the waterboarding???

    Just curious.
    Physical effects: sleep deprivation is far worse and more lasting.

    Mental effects: since they are both types of toture, both will yield lasting mental problems. The severity will depend on the individual.

    There is more hysteria about waterboarding because it is receiving more airplay from the media.
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    Re: Waterboarding vs Sleep Deprivation

    I almost drowned once, when I was a child. I'm not capable of stepping within three feet of the swimming pool at work now.

    I experience sleep deprivation pretty much any time I go off my meds. I'm running on about two and a half days now. From previous experience, I'd say I have another five or six hours before I start hallucinating.

    I would rather be sleep deprived any day.

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    Re: Waterboarding vs Sleep Deprivation

    I see waterboarding is worse, the feeling you get when you're unable to breath or hardly breathing makes sleep depriviation 100x better ..

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    Re: Waterboarding vs Sleep Deprivation

    The one that fails to extract the information is worse.

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    Re: Waterboarding vs Sleep Deprivation

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    The one that fails to extract the information is worse.
    Since both are inefficient and do not guarantee this, then both are equally bad.
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    Re: Waterboarding vs Sleep Deprivation

    Is this a "don't try this at home" thread ?

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    Re: Waterboarding vs Sleep Deprivation

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Since both are inefficient and do not guarantee this, then both are equally bad.
    Waterboarding is incredibly efficient. Also, and it's not really necessary to say it, is it? Information collected from any prisoner or any source has to be verified independently before it can be considered reliable.

    But water boarding works to extract information, so does sleep deprivation, so does other techniques.

    What's important is that the tongue gets loosened, lives are saved, and the terrorist can feel shameful for squealing.

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    Re: Waterboarding vs Sleep Deprivation

    Sleep deprivation is tough, but waterboarding is simulated murder. I'd rather be dead-tired than thinking I'm actually dead.
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    Re: Waterboarding vs Sleep Deprivation

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Waterboarding is incredibly efficient. Also, and it's not really necessary to say it, is it? Information collected from any prisoner or any source has to be verified independently before it can be considered reliable.

    But water boarding works to extract information, so does sleep deprivation, so does other techniques.

    What's important is that the tongue gets loosened, lives are saved, and the terrorist can feel shameful for squealing.
    Torture is inherently unreliable. The purpose is to get incriminating information. If the prisoner has none, and the interrogator does not know that, torture will continue until the prisoner gives some information...in this case, false information. For torture to work, there needs to be some independent source verifying that the prisoner has information before torture begins. This is often a paradox...to torture you must know the information, but if you know the information, why bother with the torture?

    Tongues get loosened but information provided is not always useful. If your purpose is just to humiliate, than you are no better than they are.
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