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Thread: Waterboarding vs Sleep Deprivation

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    Re: Waterboarding vs Sleep Deprivation

    In high-schooland still occasionally I experience bouts of extreme insomnia, I loved it and hated it. I've gone 70+ hours with no sleep and also no drugs in my body, i.e. no meth, etc. Around the 24-30 hour mark my brain function would actually increase. I could do things faster, think clearer and came up with some really good ideas during those times. Approaching 40 hours my words start to come out jumbled, not like a drunk, but out of order sometimes. I would start to make jokes that seemed hilarious to me and just be in a general state of hysterics for the most part. 50 hours the physical aspect would start to kick in, blurry vision, muscle fatigue etc. During these times though I would rest my body but my mind would not be able to sleep. I made sure I drank plenty of water and did moderate exercise.

    This time frame for the most part is during school weeks, weekends etc. So normal days. 60+ hours is visual and auditory hallucinations. I would be playing Counter-Strike in a darkened room at night, quit the game and go into another room and still see the silhouettes from the players as if they were in front of me. Real enough for me to take a fighting stance like someone had broken in my house. I would hear the gunfire from the game at random, 'Fire in the Hole' and look over my shoulder to see if a flash bang was coming in. At this point I was afraid to drive, I basically couldn't do anything. Edward Norton put it best in Fight Club, "With insomnia you're not really awake, and not really asleep" or something to that extent.

    Anyways, those conditions are much, much, more easy to cope with than that of forced deprivation, i.e. water being thrown on you when you nod off, stress positions, for example being in a confined space where you can't stand up but can't lay down, or having to lean against a wall with your head pressed up against it, bent at the waist. So my vote goes for water boarding. I believe it would yield information faster, but may not have the same reliability for accurate information as sleep deprivation.

    I heard some time back the British were having great success with an unusual technique. It involved putting the prisoner in a room of all one color. Lets say blue. Blue lighting, blue walls, blue everything, food, clothes etc. They would keep them in there and awake with limited amounts of sleep for a set time then move them to another colored room. Rinse repeat. I'm not sure of the psychology behind this one but it sounds interesting.
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    Re: Waterboarding vs Sleep Deprivation

    Quote Originally Posted by Polynikes View Post
    In high-schooland still occasionally I experience bouts of extreme insomnia, I loved it and hated it. I've gone 70+ hours with no sleep and also no drugs in my body, i.e. no meth, etc. Around the 24-30 hour mark my brain function would actually increase. I could do things faster, think clearer and came up with some really good ideas during those times. Approaching 40 hours my words start to come out jumbled, not like a drunk, but out of order sometimes. I would start to make jokes that seemed hilarious to me and just be in a general state of hysterics for the most part. 50 hours the physical aspect would start to kick in, blurry vision, muscle fatigue etc. During these times though I would rest my body but my mind would not be able to sleep. I made sure I drank plenty of water and did moderate exercise.

    This time frame for the most part is during school weeks, weekends etc. So normal days. 60+ hours is visual and auditory hallucinations. I would be playing Counter-Strike in a darkened room at night, quit the game and go into another room and still see the silhouettes from the players as if they were in front of me. Real enough for me to take a fighting stance like someone had broken in my house. I would hear the gunfire from the game at random, 'Fire in the Hole' and look over my shoulder to see if a flash bang was coming in. At this point I was afraid to drive, I basically couldn't do anything. Edward Norton put it best in Fight Club, "With insomnia you're not really awake, and not really asleep" or something to that extent.

    Anyways, those conditions are much, much, more easy to cope with than that of forced deprivation, i.e. water being thrown on you when you nod off, stress positions, for example being in a confined space where you can't stand up but can't lay down, or having to lean against a wall with your head pressed up against it, bent at the waist. So my vote goes for water boarding. I believe it would yield information faster, but may not have the same reliability for accurate information as sleep deprivation.

    I heard some time back the British were having great success with an unusual technique. It involved putting the prisoner in a room of all one color. Lets say blue. Blue lighting, blue walls, blue everything, food, clothes etc. They would keep them in there and awake with limited amounts of sleep for a set time then move them to another colored room. Rinse repeat. I'm not sure of the psychology behind this one but it sounds interesting.
    Screw the weed... Sleep dep.. Where have you been all my life?! I want to battle fake counter-strike people down my hallway. One time I stayed up for 2 days playing Escape Velocity and when I closed my eyes for bed I could see the whole screen. Little stars zipping by as I went into warp speed.
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    Re: Waterboarding vs Sleep Deprivation

    Why not do both at the same time? Waterboarding AND Sleep Deprivation.
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    Re: Waterboarding vs Sleep Deprivation

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    I experience sleep deprivation pretty much any time I go off my meds. I'm running on about two and a half days now. From previous experience, I'd say I have another five or six hours before I start hallucinating.

    I wouldnt compare any self imposed sleep deprivation to its effects when used as a tool as torture.

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    Re: Waterboarding vs Sleep Deprivation

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    Why not do both at the same time? Waterboarding AND Sleep Deprivation.
    it is important to note that these techniques are applied in the context of a wider interogation. They dont just say "Okay dont let him speak for a week thens ee if he will talk". People are actively interogating you and probably using other torture techniques on you while any of these are applied.

    I remember reading a novel written from the notes of a victim of a soviet show trial about his interogation. You can talk about how mild any of these techniques may sound from the outside. But when you are in the hot seat, none of this **** is mild.

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    Re: Waterboarding vs Sleep Deprivation

    Quote Originally Posted by George VI View Post
    Personally, I have a sort of "immunity" from the effects sleep deprivation. Ever since I was a young kid, I haven't been sleeping properly, even today, I have to [sometimes] take sleeping pills to go to sleep. I'm not hyperactive, I'm perfectly calm, but I can remain awake for about 3 days, without the aid of stimulants, before I feel tired.

    My parents were worried about me, so they took me to the doctors, the doctor tested my ability to focus, even after 3 days of no sleep, and found little to no decrease in focus. He tested me on my ability to read a passage, remember it, and recite it to him, my ability to do maths in my head, and dexterity exercises, such as placing this thing, in this hole, etc.

    With that said, I can take sleep deprivation, but water-boarding just sounds brutal.

    This is the kind of nonsense im talking about.
    Staying up for 3 days playing counterstrike is not comaprable to being awoken the second you start to drift off indefinately.
    You are not immune to torture because you have slightly wierd sleeping patterns. You have a limit, and a torturer would find it.

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    Re: Waterboarding vs Sleep Deprivation

    Quote Originally Posted by Real Talk View Post

    I remember reading a novel written from the notes of a victim of a soviet show trial about his interogation. You can talk about how mild any of these techniques may sound from the outside. But when you are in the hot seat, none of this **** is mild.
    I don't think I've claimed it is mild treatment. I'm not of the mind to treat enemy combatants mildly.
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