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Thread: Waterboarding vs Sleep Deprivation

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    Re: Waterboarding vs Sleep Deprivation

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Rev, you just don't get it man. Both are unacceptable methods of torture. Never mind that our military personnel frequently withstands these "agonizing" practices with relative ease. Never mind that lot's of them even volunteer to have it done. That doesn't matter! All that matters is people are made to be uncomfortable; that is beyond the pale! Anyway...

    I've never been water-boarded so I have no real basis for comparison. However, I was the "victim" of sleep deprivation and became "extremely distressed" because of it. Obviously, I was tortured. Had I been given the chance though, I would have gone to SERE school where I would have been subjected to water-boarding. I'm sure it sucks, but then again, so do a lot of things. Now, if SERE school entailed having my fingernails pulled out with pliers or getting my testicles attached to a car battery itís not an idea I would have entertained because thatís real torture.
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    Re: Waterboarding vs Sleep Deprivation

    I recall reading a study done on various test mammals in which they were deprived from sleep for extreme periods of time. Their behavior became erratic and irrational and generally more strange as time went on, and after a while, many of them quite literally dropped dead.

    It's a dangerous game.

    This is a study similar to the one to which I refer.

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    Re: Waterboarding vs Sleep Deprivation

    I heard one of my friend saying that his babysitter tried the waterboarding once in his baby nephu, that cased him a slight brain damage and nightmares .

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    Re: Waterboarding vs Sleep Deprivation

    I would have to say Sleep Deprivation would be much worse because Waterboarding seems like it once its over, its over but if you dont get any sleep it does lead to some serious mental issues.
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    Re: Waterboarding vs Sleep Deprivation

    For me it would be sleep deprivation. Choosing it doesn't mean waterboarding isn't torture just not as damaging long term as sleep deprivation
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    Re: Waterboarding vs Sleep Deprivation

    Its a known fact most prisoners will say what they think you want to hear. Its then up to the interrogator to process the information and ascertain fact from fiction. It can be used to great effect, if carried out correctly. I have been without sleep for at most 4.5 days which pushed me to the limit, i think the adrenaline kept me going.

    Which would i deem worse? I suppose it depends on who was the interrogator, you have to presume they don't actually want to kill you so i guess it comes down to your personal "lesser of the two evils". for me probably water-boarding would be worse.

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    Re: Waterboarding vs Sleep Deprivation

    Personally, I have a sort of "immunity" from the effects sleep deprivation. Ever since I was a young kid, I haven't been sleeping properly, even today, I have to [sometimes] take sleeping pills to go to sleep. I'm not hyperactive, I'm perfectly calm, but I can remain awake for about 3 days, without the aid of stimulants, before I feel tired.

    My parents were worried about me, so they took me to the doctors, the doctor tested my ability to focus, even after 3 days of no sleep, and found little to no decrease in focus. He tested me on my ability to read a passage, remember it, and recite it to him, my ability to do maths in my head, and dexterity exercises, such as placing this thing, in this hole, etc.

    With that said, I can take sleep deprivation, but water-boarding just sounds brutal.

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    Re: Waterboarding vs Sleep Deprivation

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    The one that fails to extract the information is worse.
    Is there anywhere you think a line should be drawn?
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    Re: Waterboarding vs Sleep Deprivation

    How much sleep deprivation?

    Say your deprived of sleep for 36 hours, in that case, water-boarding would definitely be worse. However, say you were deprived of sleep for 6 days. In that case, the sleep deprivation would be worse.

    The lengths to which some are going to in order to somehow argue that water boarding is not torture is really astounding. To me its fairly simple. If an act was used as torture during the Spanish Inquisition, then its torture. If individuals were tried for war crimes for engaging in this act, then its torture. If Khmer Rouge used it for torture, then its torture.

    Why lower ourselves to the level of a Spanish Inquisitor? This notion that since it doesn't cause permanent harm it cannot be torture is the same kind of argument that the Maoists used during the Cultural Revolution when they put people in the jet plane position for hours and sometimes days on end.
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    Re: Waterboarding vs Sleep Deprivation

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    How much sleep deprivation?

    Say your deprived of sleep for 36 hours, in that case, water-boarding would definitely be worse. However, say you were deprived of sleep for 6 days. In that case, the sleep deprivation would be worse.

    The lengths to which some are going to in order to somehow argue that water boarding is not torture is really astounding. To me its fairly simple. If an act was used as torture during the Spanish Inquisition, then its torture. If individuals were tried for war crimes for engaging in this act, then its torture. If Khmer Rouge used it for torture, then its torture.

    Why lower ourselves to the level of a Spanish Inquisitor? This notion that since it doesn't cause permanent harm it cannot be torture is the same kind of argument that the Maoists used during the Cultural Revolution when they put people in the jet plane position for hours and sometimes days on end.



    you do know that what the japanese did, was a little different right?


    they poured salt water down your throat and jumped on your gut. a little different. lets stay honest in this discussion ok?


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