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Thread: Waterboarding vs Sleep Deprivation

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    Re: Waterboarding vs Sleep Deprivation

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    As one who has been through both, i'd rather endure 5 mins of waterboarding than sleep deprivation.
    Rev, you just don't get it man. Both are unacceptable methods of torture. Never mind that our military personnel frequently withstands these "agonizing" practices with relative ease. Never mind that lot's of them even volunteer to have it done. That doesn't matter! All that matters is people are made to be uncomfortable; that is beyond the pale! Anyway...

    I've never been water-boarded so I have no real basis for comparison. However, I was the "victim" of sleep deprivation and became "extremely distressed" because of it. Obviously, I was tortured. Had I been given the chance though, I would have gone to SERE school where I would have been subjected to water-boarding. I'm sure it sucks, but then again, so do a lot of things. Now, if SERE school entailed having my fingernails pulled out with pliers or getting my testicles attached to a car battery itís not an idea I would have entertained because thatís real torture.

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    Re: Waterboarding vs Sleep Deprivation

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    I've never been water-boarded so I have no real basis for comparison. However, I was the "victim" of sleep deprivation and became "extremely distressed" because of it. Obviously, I was tortured. Had I been given the chance though, I would have gone to SERE school where I would have been subjected to water-boarding. I'm sure it sucks, but then again, so do a lot of things. Now, if SERE school entailed having my fingernails pulled out with pliers or getting my testicles attached to a car battery itís not an idea I would have entertained because thatís real torture.
    I'm surprised this is even a debate, frankly. Any parent KNOWS the hell of sleep deprivation--usually instigated by that most vicious and insidious of monsters, the awake child. How can anyone even think that waterboarding compares?

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    Re: Waterboarding vs Sleep Deprivation

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Simulated murder? The waterboarding doesn't even cause physical damage while the sleep deprivation does!
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    If you're actually dead, you're not thinking, so how is that even a possibility?
    Feeling dead, whatever. For the record, I'm not against waterboarding or sleep deprivation, but I think my hallucinations could float me through the latter. Even if you get false information, you may have some way to check it and confirm its falseness, in which case you can pass on more torture. However, at least one of these methods has apparently helped prevent another attack, which is the important thing.
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    Heh. Do you realize how many children I'd murder to be immortal and have an army of willing slaves?

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    Re: Waterboarding vs Sleep Deprivation

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Rev, you just don't get it man. Both are unacceptable methods of torture. Never mind that our military personnel frequently withstands these "agonizing" practices with relative ease. Never mind that lot's of them even volunteer to have it done. That doesn't matter! All that matters is people are made to be uncomfortable; that is beyond the pale! Anyway...

    I've never been water-boarded so I have no real basis for comparison. However, I was the "victim" of sleep deprivation and became "extremely distressed" because of it. Obviously, I was tortured. Had I been given the chance though, I would have gone to SERE school where I would have been subjected to water-boarding. I'm sure it sucks, but then again, so do a lot of things. Now, if SERE school entailed having my fingernails pulled out with pliers or getting my testicles attached to a car battery itís not an idea I would have entertained because thatís real torture.
    "Real torture" as opposed to what? Less real torture? Non-torture? Harsh interrogation technique?

    I think what's perturbing about his whole water boarding debate is that many people, including many military personnel and some journalists, volunteer to undergo water boarding to understand the experience. None like it, of course. Which is the whole point.

    But no soldiers or journalists as far as I know would volunteer to have their fingernails pulled out with pliers. Or to have their bones shattered. Or to undergo 'real torture' as most of us clearly understand it.

    I have heard that some S&M techniques involve the use of electrodes on sensitive areas of the body. But that's another subject altogether.


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    Re: Waterboarding vs Sleep Deprivation

    Quote Originally Posted by Edify_Always_In_All_Ways View Post
    Feeling dead, whatever. For the record, I'm not against waterboarding or sleep deprivation, but I think my hallucinations could float me through the latter. Even if you get false information, you may have some way to check it and confirm its falseness, in which case you can pass on more torture. However, at least one of these methods has apparently helped prevent another attack, which is the important thing.
    So what happens after "information" is wrought from them? Do they sit in a cell forever or get executed?
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    Re: Waterboarding vs Sleep Deprivation

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    So what happens after "information" is wrought from them? Do they sit in a cell forever or get executed?
    Well now that Obama has declared that even these things are torture I think there will be many more interrogated peoples who don't live to tell about it. I'm certainly not naive enough to believe the CIA will now stop short of anything but asking.

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    Re: Waterboarding vs Sleep Deprivation

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    So what happens after "information" is wrought from them? Do they sit in a cell forever or get executed?
    Since we don't want to torture them with perpetual incarceration, and since they're too eager to resume their terroristic ways should they be released, seems like the only humane thing left to do would be a quick painless execution.

    At least that's not torture.

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    Re: Waterboarding vs Sleep Deprivation

    Quote Originally Posted by Edify_Always_In_All_Ways View Post
    Feeling dead, whatever. For the record, I'm not against waterboarding or sleep deprivation, but I think my hallucinations could float me through the latter. Even if you get false information, you may have some way to check it and confirm its falseness, in which case you can pass on more torture. However, at least one of these methods has apparently helped prevent another attack, which is the important thing.
    Sleep deprivation can cause a psychotic break and lower immune system. A relative break down of the entire bodily system. I'd rather have water poured on my head than attempt to float through days and days of no sleep with different folks screaming, yelling, hosing me with water, and slamming me into walls, or shackling me standing up all in the effort of depriving me of sleep.

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    Re: Waterboarding vs Sleep Deprivation

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    So what happens after "information" is wrought from them? Do they sit in a cell forever or get executed?
    Well, if they're terrorists, execution is an acceptable option.

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    Re: Waterboarding vs Sleep Deprivation

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Well, if they're terrorists, execution is an acceptable option.
    And not all of them are. So what is an acceptable amount of sacrifice? The actual number that people are willing to accept.
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