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Thread: Waterboarding vs Sleep Deprivation

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    Re: Waterboarding vs Sleep Deprivation

    Quote Originally Posted by Edify_Always_In_All_Ways View Post
    Sleep deprivation is tough, but waterboarding is simulated murder. I'd rather be dead-tired than thinking I'm actually dead.




    Simulated murder?



    please the emotionalism is getting thick in here.
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    Re: Waterboarding vs Sleep Deprivation

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Since both are inefficient and do not guarantee this, then both are equally bad.
    To be fair to his statement here....

    A car that goes 8 miles per gallon and one that goe 12 miles per gallon are both inefficient when compared to one that goes 30 miles per gallon. That said, one of them still is clearly MORE efficient than the other (the 12 over the 8).
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    Re: Waterboarding vs Sleep Deprivation

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Since both are inefficient and do not guarantee this, then both are equally bad.
    Or, since both have produced actionable intelligence, they are equally good.

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    Re: Waterboarding vs Sleep Deprivation

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Torture is inherently unreliable. The purpose is to get incriminating information.
    Incriminating? Who said anything about incriminating?

    I don't give a damn if it incriminates anybody. I want actionable intelligence that lets the troops know where to go for the turkey shoot.

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    Re: Waterboarding vs Sleep Deprivation

    I think being sleep deprived just sounds better because most of us don't have the capacity to understand what it would be like to have captors keeping you awake for days on end.

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    Re: Waterboarding vs Sleep Deprivation

    Quote Originally Posted by Edify_Always_In_All_Ways View Post
    Sleep deprivation is tough, but waterboarding is simulated murder. I'd rather be dead-tired than thinking I'm actually dead.
    Simulated murder? The waterboarding doesn't even cause physical damage while the sleep deprivation does!

    I think much of the hysteria is emotional and not logical. If it were logical folks would be as concerned if not MORE concerned about the sleep deprivation. Or even the cold cell. We have killed someone stripping them naked, hosing them down, and leaving them in a cold cell. Supposedly a prisoner died of hypothermia. Yet you don't hear folks calling that barbaric or getting hysterical about that.

    Put in perspective waterboarding is less dangerous than both sleep deprivation and cold cell interrogations!

    I can understand if folks think NONE of them should be done. But what I have trouble wrapping my head around is folks going nuts over something that causes no actual bodily damage while remaining relatively mum and non- hysterical on things that do cause damage, have caused damage, and have actually killed people. Some of the folks I've talked to about waterboarding are extremely against waterboarding and damn near apathetic when it comes to sleep deprivation. Logically, I'm sorry, but that makes like zero sense.

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    Re: Waterboarding vs Sleep Deprivation

    Quote Originally Posted by Edify_Always_In_All_Ways View Post
    Sleep deprivation is tough, but waterboarding is simulated murder. I'd rather be dead-tired than thinking I'm actually dead.
    If you're actually dead, you're not thinking, so how is that even a possibility?

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    Re: Waterboarding vs Sleep Deprivation

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    I think being sleep deprived just sounds better because most of us don't have the capacity to understand what it would be like to have captors keeping you awake for days on end.
    Then again, whole bunches of us were in the military, where sleep deprivation is a way of life.

    So what's the big deal? They want to take a nap, they squeal. That's all.

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    Re: Waterboarding vs Sleep Deprivation

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    I think being sleep deprived just sounds better because most of us don't have the capacity to understand what it would be like to have captors keeping you awake for days on end.



    As one who has been through both, i'd rather endure 5 mins of waterboarding than sleep deprivation.
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    Re: Waterboarding vs Sleep Deprivation

    It would depend on how far you took either one. Both may be the answer depending on how done.


    Waterboard #1: "Are you a terrorist?"
    "No"

    Waterboard #75 "Are you a terrorist?"
    "No!"

    Waterboard #150 "Are you a terrorist?"
    "Yes.... just stop.."

    Sleepdep hour #1 "Are you a terrorist?"
    "No"

    Sleepdep hour #75 "Are you a terrorist?"
    "Huh?.. Wha? Water drips downward most the time...."

    Sleepdep hour #150 "Are you a terrorist?"
    "............. I like BOOM!"

    What about combined? Wouldn't that be super power fake torture? I wonder how many times the interrogator went to go get himself a glass of water and accidentally left the waterboarding spicket on?
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