And what was the cause of the sun moving… It was gods which did it[/QUOTE=Ikari]
And how it is ever different from your methodology? They looked at the measurable sun and they saw it was moving. They knew if it was moving there should be something which was moving it. It couldn’t be wind because wind blows in all different directions, it couldn’t be water, but it had to be something not visible directly as atoms are not visible, so it had to be some occurrences which where not ‘’observed directly’’, and they called them gods. And if somebody said “I have to see the occurrences’’ they were saying the same as you say, - Do you have a better explanation? And they were treating the one who was asking to see gods and not having a “better explanation” with the same zealously as you treat those who have doubts in evolution here. There is absolutely no difference between your methodology of proving evolution and the methodology of the ancients proving gods moving the sun. The only difference could be is that ancients most likely did not take it seriously, but rather for entertaining purposes, because it was clear that gods wouldn’t spent their time for such a sweaty endeavor, while you believe your fantasies with all your heart.
‘’The next question was — what makes planets go around the sun? At the time of Kepler some people answered this problem by saying that there were angels behind them beating their wings and pushing the planets around an orbit. As you will see, the answer is not very far from the truth.’’ – Richard Feynman. The Character of Physical Laws (1964)
Ikari said:
before we measured it and found it to be natural force.
Says who? Found - who? According to the text of Newton’s theory God did it, - like everything else measurable.
Ikari said:
Gods were always ascribed as the answer when humans didn't know, and time and time again it was found that gods had nothing to do with it.
Who and when did ascribe and who and when did prove God had nothing to do?
Ikari said:
So is true with evolution, evolution is your new geocentric universe.
If geocentric universe was wrong (it neither was wrong nor is wrong from the scientific POV), then I am wrong? and if Heliocentrism is correct evolution is correct? Oh, man, do you have a slightest understanding of criteria science is operating under? Do you have a slightest idea about logic?
Ikari said:
Heliocentrism was denied for quite some time by the religious fanatics, even in the face of data.
Answer – what data, what is data? Is it Data from the starship on TV? Prove it was denied 1. by religious fanatics, 2. In the face of data.
Ikari said:
Eventually the data became so overwhelming that it had to be accepted. But you fight evolution with the zeal of the geocentrists. Despite there being evidence to the contrary, you rally against science to preserve your ideals of your god.
What data? What is data? Oh, my dear man, is it so bad in universities today? What is data? New occurrences were observed and experiments were made, the propositions (equations) inferred from these occurrences were made. The results of the equations were at last found to be CONFIRMING and/or be more accurate then the results of equations of the geocentric universe model, such as - the calculations were predicting planets and eclipses and star’s positions at least as accurate as in the geocentric universe model.
The geocentric universe model is not ever hinted or described in the Bible, but it was described by Ptolemy, who in your system of beliefs is said to think that gods were moving the Sun. [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ptolemy]Ptolemy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame] Seriously, this is what you are saying – 1. that he lived in ancient Rome and 2. he thought that gods were moving the Sun.
Ikari said:
Gods were proven wrong in the past, they'll be proven wrong in the future; and the zealots will change or die out. That's measured reality.
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Yeah, gods are wrong, you are right. Oh, man. What are your criteria of wrong and right?
Einstein goes to heaven and asks for an audience with God.
- OK, - says God, - what do you want?
- I want to know how you made the universe.
God goes to a chalk board and fills it with long formulas.
Einstein finishes moving his head following the chalk and says, - you have a mistake in the end of the 5th equation.
- I know, - says God humbly.
Oh man, neither you understand simple sentences, statements or questions, nor you understand what you are saying.