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Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

Did we evolve from Apes?

  • Yes, we evolved from Apes.

    Votes: 41 57.7%
  • No, we have not evolved in any shape or form, we are the same biological beings we have always been.

    Votes: 10 14.1%
  • Yes, we did evolve, but i do not think we evolved from Apes.

    Votes: 20 28.2%

  • Total voters
    71
Mathematics of what? I'm not sure what you're asking for.

Yeah I don't get it either. So little of biology comprises of mathematics because biology is full of complex and imperfect systems that degrade and mutate unlike physics of course where things are more stable.

Mathematics is perfect, life is imperfect. I'm not sure Justone gets it.
 
It is not hard at all, though it may take a few minutes. It is hard even to stay calm. You asked once. I represented. You said something like ''I don't care'' and went away. Did it happen, - yes or no? Why I should spend minutes of life for some guy with no sense of decency?

Okay fine, there must be be no empirical evidence of your god. Thankyou and good night.
 
God has real world effects which can directly be measured, gravity for an example.

Gravity in and of itself does not prove God. It proves there is gravity.
 
God has real world effects which can directly be measured, gravity for an example.

What about gravity necessitates a god?

Ok you measure fossils in centimeters, cubic centimeters, you take spectrum analyses… how does it show evolution?

It shows the change of species on the earth over time.

God is infinite. Infinity includes all centimeters and cubic centimeters and all other possible numbers, including … ok I will skip complication… everything. All your measurements are just particular cases of infinity.

Hmm...I think this is rather contrived and hokey. God is everything and measurements are part of everything. Not really anything useful in any of this.

Energy conservation cannot be broken, it is an abstract.

There is an uncertainty rule with energy and time, energy conservation can most certainly be violated for brief periods of time. Without this ability, vacuum fluctuations could not occur, and if vacuum fluctuations could not occur, there would be no Lamb shift. But there is, we've measured it.

If they existed their existence would have a profound effect on instruments. Profound effect on values is an effect of an abstract on an abstract.

Do you think if you use certain words enough times, your arguments start to make sense? Abstracts aren't what measurements are made off of, measurable things aren't abstract. If you want to say number system or something is abstract, perchance. But not in the relation with measurable quantities, once rooted to something concrete, the measurements become concrete. Your statement is nothing more than an absurd deflect.

‘’Today's scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality.’’
Nikola Tesla,

So you found a quote. It doesn't prove anything. Maybe what you state there could be applicable towards theorists (and I'm not sure that would be true even given a theorists penchant for horrible math), but not towards the experimentalists. We relate everything back to the real world, for the real world is what we deal in. Everything measured has a real result. My work is specifically with ultracold atoms and laser cooling and trapping. I have atoms, atoms tell the truth.

You are living in a virtual reality.

Wish you'd tell that to my adviser so I could get out.

Infinity is immeasurable. It undeniably exists both in mathematical and physical meaning. Indeed science is limited to numbers not going into infinity. Indeed science has limitations. Can you go back to measurables that would constitute an abstract mathematical model of evolutions, or at least to attempt to do like vacuum fluctuations?

Infinity is good for boundary conditions, and functional infinity can have a place as well. It's not measurable, but it is well defined.

There are many good indications of god while the is not what could be considered "concrete proof it is the most accepted. There were all good indications that the sun was spinning around the Earth and there were all measurable there. I am yet to hear what concrete proof does mean?

Concrete proof is proof built from measurement, not of abstract thought and desires of magic. There were good indications the sun was spinning around the Earth till the telescope was invented. More data came in and proved otherwise. And what was the cause of the sun moving before we measured it and found it to be natural force? It was gods which did it. Gods were always ascribed as the answer when humans didn't know, and time and time again it was found that gods had nothing to do with it. So is true with evolution, evolution is your new geocentric universe. Heliocentrism was denied for quite some time by the religious fanatics, even in the face of data. Eventually the data became so overwhelming that it had to be accepted. But you fight evolution with the zeal of the geocentrists. Despite there being evidence to the contrary, you rally against science to preserve your ideals of your god. Gods were proven wrong in the past, they'll be proven wrong in the future; and the zealots will change or die out. That's measured reality.

Only if you prove that infinity which is not measurable does not exist.

It's a well defined quantum.

How ever it is related to Big Bang or evolution or explains what is concrete proof?

They're of the same thing, these are theories and quantum of science. These things have measurement behind them.

The same as of evolution and Big Bang - logical deduction from measurable empirical evidence.

I've yet to see any argument which demanded a god, nor one which was even based on measurement and not philosophy. In the end, your protest seems more the denials of a zealot than one based on fact or measurement. I'm to look at your arguments and somehow believe you're correct and all the scientists are wrong. Scientists whom are trained well in their studies and seek the truth vs. someone with obvious conflict of interest. What is the most logical choice? Given a choice between nature and magic, what do you think is the most obvious choice? I expect you to answer as your biases and blind adherence tell you too and somehow think it appropriate. But for the objective readers, it's clear who makes the most sense in their posts.
 
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Its called being Agnostic. You associate to no religion but believe in a God, or something along those regions, a different type of higher being pulling the "strings".

I feel the term agnostic is just as freely thrown around as atheist. Most people use the term to point out that they aren't sure. That is just what the term has come to mean. The definition that you gave seems to fit me pretty well, however. I am sure of what I believe in and that's what separates me from most people who just call themselves agnostic.
 
I think to say probability states possibility of ape ancestorial relations, but i dont buy its conceivablness yet, idk i cant/shant put my finger on it.

I take this to mean that you do not believe that humans evolved from ape-like species... What are your theories as to the origin of mankind?


Duke
 
I think to say probability states possibility of ape ancestorial relations, but i dont buy its conceivablness yet, idk i cant/shant put my finger on it.

The DNA evidence is pretty damn conclusive and im not even talking about the great amount of DNA we share with apes. Evolution leaves little markers in the DNA that basically scream "HUMANS AND APES ARE RELATED".
 
Probability that apes and humans are related?

We are related. It's not a probability. It has been proven the world over through DNA analysis.
 
Originally Posted by Kandahar said:
I said that humans have never observed SPECIATION since the theory of evolution was developed in the mid-1800s. Nor would one expect them to, since speciation usually takes place over the course of millennia (or longer

Ikari said:
You asked if we've witnessed evolution on the level of speciation, we have not directly seen that.


Tucker Case said:
No, we've never directly observed this.

GarzaUK said:
What about speciation via hybridisation, polyploidly and autopolyploidy of plants? Where new species of plants pop up and can not mate with their parent species. Thats a creation of a new species.

Observed Instances of Speciation
This FAQ discusses several instances where speciation has been observed.

[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciation]Speciation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]


Speciation is the evolutionary process by which new biological species arise. There are four modes of natural speciation, based on the extent to which speciating populations are geographically isolated from one another: allopatric, peripatric, parapatric, and sympatric. Speciation may also be induced artificially, through animal husbandry or laboratory experiments. Observed examples of each kind of speciation are provided throughout.[1] .

I am accepting 5 separate bets (it is time to make money on scientists):

1. Scientists will not understand the simplest questions.
2. Scientists will not be able to give simple answers.
3. Scientists will cut and run
4. Scientists will turn to meaningless personal insults

And the highest stake is

5. Scientists will do all the above.


People, make your bets.

Can mods make it a Poll?

The question is: Who is lying – the overwhelming majority of scientists who say that we have never observed speciation or the scientific consensus which says that Observed examples of each kind of speciation are provided throughout?

Before I move on some lies in details I want to demonstrate that scientists do not understand that 2 opposite statements cannot be both true.
Before I move on some lies in details I want to make sure that everyone sees that the overwhelming majority of scientists is the most indecent, immoral part of our society. One hardly can find such blatant contradicting lies imposed with such a relentless aggression even in Obama's administration, even among politicians. Even last criminals would attempt to make their stories true like.
 
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The DNA evidence is pretty damn conclusive and im not even talking about the great amount of DNA we share with apes. Evolution leaves little markers in the DNA that basically scream "HUMANS AND APES ARE RELATED".

Half of an exact replicate of our DNA can be found in Bananas. But i dont think my ancestors grew off trees.

We share 50% of our DNA with bananas

Such DNA results showing "similarities" is nothing...because we have nothing to suggest we did evolve from monkeys, the only evidence we do have is "similarities" which for me isnt conclusive enough.
 
Observed Instances of Speciation
This FAQ discusses several instances where speciation has been observed.

Speciation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Speciation is the evolutionary process by which new biological species arise. There are four modes of natural speciation, based on the extent to which speciating populations are geographically isolated from one another: allopatric, peripatric, parapatric, and sympatric. Speciation may also be induced artificially, through animal husbandry or laboratory experiments. Observed examples of each kind of speciation are provided throughout.[1] .

I am accepting 5 separate bets (it is time to make money on scientists):

1. Scientists will not understand the simplest questions.
2. Scientists will not be able to give simple answers.
3. Scientists will cut and run
4. Scientists will turn to meaningless personal insults

And the highest stake is

5. Scientists will do all the above.


People, make your bets.

Can mods make it a Poll?

The question is: Who is lying – the overwhelming majority of scientists who say that we have never observed speciation or the scientific consensus which says that Observed examples of each kind of speciation are provided throughout?

Before I move on some lies in details I want to demonstrate that scientists do not understand that 2 opposite statements cannot be both true.
Before I move on some lies in details I want to make sure that everyone sees that the overwhelming majority of scientists is the most indecent, immoral part of our society. One hardly can find such blatant contradicting lies imposed with such a relentless aggression even in Obama's administration, even among politicians. Even last criminals would attempt to make their stories true like.



Perhaps I didn't understand the question that was originally asked:

Have we ever observed different species evolving from a common ancestor?

From what I know, which is definitely limited, I don't believe we've seen multiple species coming from the same common ancestor directly.

I could be wrong, but that was how I took the question.
 
Perhaps I didn't understand the question that was originally asked:



From what I know, which is definitely limited, I don't believe we've seen multiple species coming from the same common ancestor directly.

I could be wrong, but that was how I took the question.

I was not allowed to ask another question?

It is simple. A whole bunch of evolutionists here answered “No.” But evolutionist sources say Yes. Who is lying?

May be you missed the post where I outlined your abilities to understand and answer questions and our agreement on major points. http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/46932-evolution-did-we-really-evolve-apes-29.html#post1058007389

So, not speaking about Tucker, but asking Tucker - who in your view is lying?
 
The teosinte plant branched off into corn, didn't it?

I have no clue, I cannot answer all possible specualtions you are willing to come up with.

If it is your answer to the question #1 please submit it in the form requested by the question #1. .
 
Well, Tucker, disregard my previous question. It was dumb. It is all obvious for you. Evolutionist text books and sources are the ones who are lying blatantly. It is obvious. Even evolutionists here - the ones who have an ability to reason, come to acception. So the question to you is - why evolutionist text books and sources are lying?
 
None of the answer are correct we didnt evolve from apes we are apes and we evolved from a common ancestor.
 
Half of an exact replicate of our DNA can be found in Bananas. But i dont think my ancestors grew off trees.

That's not the way it works. We have a common ancestor with plants, understand, from way back. That 50% likely controls the very most basic (and most important) functions of life, down to and below the cellular level, that are shared in all organisms. Much of it also may be "junk DNA," that apparently serves little purpose for most organisms. However, having this junk DNA does not make an organism less likely to survive and reproduce (it is not selected against), so it doesn't go anywhere.

Such DNA results showing "similarities" is nothing...because we have nothing to suggest we did evolve from monkeys, the only evidence we do have is "similarities" which for me isnt conclusive enough.

Actually, DNA results showing similarities is everything. The more DNA a pair of species share, the more similar they are in appearance and in function. Beyond the conclusive DNA evidence, we also have fairly extensive fossil records, further proving that we evolved from an ape-like species.


Duke
 
I have no clue, I cannot answer all possible specualtions you are willing to come up with.

I named ONE example of observed speciation over recent human history.

You argued that it didn't happen.

My example proved you wrong.

It's all I needed to do.
 
Justone in oyur own source provided it said

5.1.1.1 Evening Primrose (Oenothera gigas)
While studying the genetics of the evening primrose, Oenothera lamarckiana, de Vries (1905) found an unusual variant among his plants. O. lamarckiana has a chromosome number of 2N = 14. The variant had a chromosome number of 2N = 28. He found that he was unable to breed this variant with O. lamarckiana. He named this new species O. gigas.

And thats the first one. A new species was created, hence speciation. Polyploidy happens more in plants and rare in animals, but polyploidy has been observed, new species of plants have been observed.

Regarding speciation in animals, the European Corn Borer and the Apple Maggot fly are in ACT I of speciation at the minute. I am confident in the over next 100 years we will observe a speciation even in animals.
Remember we have only known about the theory of evolution through natural selection for 150 years, a mere blink of an eye in evolutionary terms.

And lets just say for hypothethical reasons we had no observed speciation. If no-one witnessed a murder, does that mean a murder never happened? Even if there is the evidence of a dead body, murder weapon, DNA evidence, fingerprints, footsteps in mud, a used cig butt and the murderers semen everywhere?

Also why would scientists lie justone? You never answered me on that.
 
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Well, Tucker, disregard my previous question. It was dumb. It is all obvious for you. Evolutionist text books and sources are the ones who are lying blatantly. It is obvious. Even evolutionists here - the ones who have an ability to reason, come to acception. So the question to you is - why evolutionist text books and sources are lying?

Interesting question.

I'm not entirely convinced that anyone is "lying", per se. Clearly, one side must be wrong. Either it has or it has not been observed. Whichever side is wrong would only fall into the "lying" category if they knew that the information they claimed to be true was actually false. If they believed that the information were true when the statement was made, then they are simply wrong.



I think this whole issue is often clouded by the way information is portrayed.

For example, it is a common statement by many to say that human DNA and Chimpanzee DNA are 96% alike. But when you break it down further, as far as genetic alignment goes, there is, at most, a 70% similarity between human and chimpanzee DNA:

Chimpanzee genome project - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So that makes me wonder, which one is right? Is our DNA 96% like a chimp's DNA or is it 70% like the chimps?

Is one lying and the other telling the truth?

Are they both telling the truth, but from different perspectives with different frames of reference?

Is there purposeful misinformation being done by researchers because of conscious ulterior motives?

Or is it accidental due to a subconscious desire to support a pre-existing belief?

When someone says that humans and chimps share 96% of their DNA I'm often tempted to say, "So? What does that mean? It's not like we're 96% similar to chimps phenotypically. Clearly a mechanism is in place causing greater variance than what that measure can see. I can accurately say that a Diamond shares 100% of the same basic building blocks as Graphite. It turns out the way those building blocks go together is as important as the building blocks themselves when it comes to the nature of the two. The truth is, that 96% is arranged very, very differently in the two species."


So I don't think anyone is actually lying, I just they are overzealous in their attempts to support a theory with the data without fully analyzing the data in it's own right.
 
Half of an exact replicate of our DNA can be found in Bananas. But i dont think my ancestors grew off trees.

We share 50% of our DNA with bananas

Such DNA results showing "similarities" is nothing...because we have nothing to suggest we did evolve from monkeys, the only evidence we do have is "similarities" which for me isnt conclusive enough.

You didnt read my message right. Even if we disregarding the amount of DNA humans and apes share, the Genome markers give the game away so to speak.

Retroviruses replicate by inserting their DNA into our DNA and the cell repicates by mitosis and copies the DNA with the viral DNA in it. Some of these can be passed to the offspring. These viruses can place their DNA in trillions of places in our genome, and they do so randomly.

So if intellident design/creationists are correct then each speices should have viral DNA in a different combination of markers, kind of like a bar code. The odds that two non-related species would have the same viral DNA combination is astronomical.

Yet we do not find this. We find a progression of viral DNA with the progression of species. This is kind of crude, but Ill go for it.

Fish will have viral DNA on markers 65, 23, 99, 56
Mammalian Reptiles 65, 23, 99, 56, 33, 72, 4
First Mammals 65, 23, 88, 56, 33, 72, 4,7, 9
Monkeys 65, 23, 88, 56 33, 72, 4,7,9,77, 96
Chimps 65, 23, 88, 56 33, 72, 4,7,9,77, 96,23
Humans 65, 23, 88, 56 33, 72, 4,7,9,77, 96,23,65

This can only come about if species are related, as they pass on their DNA viral markers to their ancestors, including those of different species. Much like the passing of genes from parents to children
 
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Justone in oyur own source provided it said



And thats the first one. A new species was created, hence speciation. Polyploidy happens more in plants and rare in animals, but polyploidy has been observed, new species of plants have been observed.

Regarding speciation in animals, the European Corn Borer and the Apple Maggot fly are in ACT I of speciation at the minute. I am confident in the over next 100 years we will observe a speciation even in animals.
Remember we have only known about the theory of evolution through natural selection for 150 years, a mere blink of an eye in evolutionary terms.


Somebody, Ticker, please explain the simplest question to the evolutionist?

It is the tread where I asked you for one, just one link for a peer reviewed publication claiming an observation of speciation. Where I had to spend post after post trying to explain to such a simple question, and still you produced all kind of totally irrelevant things but not even one justone I was asking for.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/scien...falsehoods-creationism-20.html#post1057928654

There has been no evolutionist in my practice who would be able to understand the simplest question:

provide one justone link to a peer reviewed publication claiming an observation of speciation.

Just post a link, so that everyone can click on it and read the article

To make it easier for you this link: Observed Instances of Speciation has a whole list which includes a whole bunch of peer reviewed articles. I am not even asking for such a fairness of not submitting an article from an evolutionist magazine where scientists do not publish their works. I am asking for one, justone article a peer reviewed scientific publication, so I can read and review it. Can you understand?

this link has a list too:

[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciation]Speciation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

Speciation is the evolutionary process by which new biological species arise. There are four modes of natural speciation, based on the extent to which speciating populations are geographically isolated from one another: allopatric, peripatric, parapatric, and sympatric. Speciation may also be induced artificially, through animal husbandry or laboratory experiments. Observed examples of each kind of speciation are provided throughout.[1] .

From those lists or from anywhere else pick and post one justone link, so that everyone can click on it, read the article







and see that you are cheating again, that there is no claim of an observation of speciation in the article.


And lets just say for hypothethical reasons we had no observed speciation. If no-one witnessed a murder, does that mean a murder never happened? Even if there is the evidence of a dead body, murder weapon, DNA evidence, fingerprints, footsteps in mud, a used cig butt and the murderers semen everywhere?

You have to observe that DNA is unique first. You provide millions of experiments showing that DNA is unique first. Then it is an evidence. You have to observe that a bullet leaves a unique trace, and you go to a lab and make an experiment to make sure this bullet belongs to this gun, you have to observe that people leave footprints in order to formulate the law – people leave footprints. You have to observe and record footprints of a deer in order to hunt the deer by the evidence it leaves on the snow. You have to burn cigarettes first to observe how much time does it take for this brand to burn to these conditions. You have to observe dead bodies first in order to make a conclusion that this body is dead. Forensic science is all and only the result of numerous direct observations and experiments happened before the decomposed body or fossil is found. It will not say a thing about the body if that thing is not a law made from NUMOROUS previous observations and experiments. You have picked the worst for evolution example .

Also why would scientists lie justone? You never answered me on that.

Do you agree with the fact that they lie stating that speciation has been observed?
Until the fact is established unarguably there is no sense in explaining it.
 
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Interesting question.

I'm not entirely convinced that anyone is "lying", per se. Clearly, one side must be wrong. Either it has or it has not been observed. Whichever side is wrong would only fall into the "lying" category if they knew that the information they claimed to be true was actually false. If they believed that the information were true when the statement was made, then they are simply wrong.

I am sorry, but I am asking you to be reasonable. We are talking about scientists. If a scientist makes a statement within realm of science it is his duty to be aware of what he is saying, to double check the information and to formulate so that there wouldn’t be any other meaning guessed by peers. If a scientist states that evolution is observed he submits ALL results and procedure of the observation, so that other scientists can observe it in the same way. It is science 101. It is a must. It is how science operates. If a scientist says that the conclusions of his research are based on aq+c-b=m*n^2 he makes a reference to a scientific article or law or formula. If then a peer opens the referred article and sees that it says aq+c-b=m-n the scientist looses his creditablity. A scientist may be misstating somewhere in details, that’s why before he is published he is reviewed by peer, and after he is published he is reviewed by peers. But if a scientist lists 20 articles and states that they all claim observations of speciation, while none of them does, that an intentional deception beyond any reasonable doubt, and he is no scientist anymore.

Here we have a bunch of publications stating the same thing – speciation has been observed - and referring to peer reviewed articles, - when none of the articles claims observation of speciation. It is not like one would be added by a mistake, - or 2 would be added by a mistake or misreading or 3 or 4, - none of hundreds makes a claim.

Why even evolutionists cannot make such a claim? Because of the peer reviewed process described above. Would it be possible for a fanatical evolutionist to publish such an article, theoretically yes, there are less than a few which call the observation evolution, while it is clear that there is no evolution, I found them in evolution only devoted publications. They are absolutely exclusion. In practice such a scheme does not fly with serious scientists. Especially when it comes to speciation, - other scientists would be all over such a publication. It would be a revolution, so nobody dares..

It is absolutely clear that evolutionists – and there is no such thing as a PhD in evolution – are either absolutely dumb and incapable of reading and/or understanding of article and reality, which I agree is possible, or they have very certain intention trying to represent evolution as observed in their books and writings.

The articles they list are the information they refer to. There is hardly a doubt that information in the article is false even if it can contain mistakes and misreading. These are articles in peer reviewed magazines, many are written by believers in evolution. None of the articles claims observation of speciation.

Thus evolutionists are either completely dumb or intentionally in the business of deception.

Allowing that they are not dumb, why it is so important for them to assure us that speciation is observed that they go to such extend?

Why this moment is so important to them? Because if scientists became aware that speciation has never been scientifically observed – directly or indirectly, and thus does not allow an experiment – there would be blood on the streets. Evolutionists would loose their only argument – ‘’we are scientists’’. As a philosophy making logical deduction from empirical evidence they wouldn’t withstand a child. They would find themselves in the same position as professors of the scientific communism in Russia. Whether they think about this directly or indirectly, - but they cannot be not feeling this by instincts.


I think this whole issue is often clouded by the way information is portrayed.

For example, it is a common statement by many to say that human DNA and Chimpanzee DNA are 96% alike. But when you break it down further, as far as genetic alignment goes, there is, at most, a 70% similarity between human and chimpanzee DNA:

Chimpanzee genome project - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So that makes me wonder, which one is right? Is our DNA 96% like a chimp's DNA or is it 70% like the chimps?

Is one lying and the other telling the truth?

DNA=96 or DNA =70

I am sorry but only one can be true.


Are they both telling the truth, but from different perspectives with different frames of reference?

Any time when a statement is made but the perspective and frame of reference are not formulated

Or is it accidental due to a subconscious desire to support a pre-existing belief?

Sure, USRAUK and many others do really believe on a subconscious and conscious level that speciation has been observed, that fossils exist, that DNA=96, and hell with it I will say 98 just to be more convincing, that evolution is science, that overwhelming majority of scientists and scientific consensus make sense, that a scientist would delegate his scientific opinion to a few elected officials who issue statements from Academy of Science, etc. This is what people hear in schools, universities, TV books media. Don’t you know that USRA studies biology and hears what professors tell him?

It takes a researcher, a real man who does not give about atheism and theism and the overwhelming majority to say:



When someone says that humans and chimps share 96% of their DNA I'm often tempted to say, "So? What does that mean? It's not like we're 96% similar to chimps phenotypically. Clearly a mechanism is in place causing greater variance than what that measure can see. I can accurately say that a Diamond shares 100% of the same basic building blocks as Graphite. It turns out the way those building blocks go together is as important as the building blocks themselves when it comes to the nature of the two. The truth is, that 96% is arranged very, very differently in the two species."


And to do what you did – check it and find out that it is 70.

That’s why science used to have and follow well formulated and defined rules – in order to sort beliefs of the overwhelming majority and the truth of one, justone or Tucker. Clearly, your consideration is calling to basic logic and common sense.
Just for you – as the matter of the fact we so far have mapped only 1% of human genome but when we map 100%, even with the full human sequence in hand we still won't know:

• Gene number, exact locations, and functions
• Gene regulation
• DNA sequence organization
• Chromosomal structure and organization
• Noncoding DNA types, amount, distribution, information content, and functions
• Coordination of gene expression, protein synthesis, and post-translational events
• Interaction of proteins in complex molecular machines
• Predicted vs experimentally determined gene function
• Protein conservation (structure and function)
• Proteomes (total protein content and function) in organisms
• Correlation of SNPs (single-base DNA variations among individuals) with health and disease
• Disease-susceptibility prediction based on gene sequence variation
• Genes involved in complex traits and multigene diseases
• Complex systems biology including microbial consortia useful for environmental restoration
• Developmental genetics, genomics

So I don't think anyone is actually lying, I just they are overzealous in their attempts to support a theory with the data without fully analyzing the data in it's own right.

Which is a proof that evolution is not science.

That’s why science used to be such an excited game when it followed rules which not allow zealously of personal beliefs to prevail over reason and facts. It is the matter of survival of human reason and morality – to hunt evolutionists wherever they are found, to petition to ban evolution in science classes, to return science its beauty and excitement. Whatever are the motivations of evolutionists they act as cancer on the beautiful body of science and all people should deal with them like with cancer. Because science is very important for all people, all they have around them – starting from a bicycle and finishing with a space craft wouldn’t be possible without science. It does not provide us with any truth or direction in life, but it certainly makes life very interesting.
 
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