Thank you. It is not like there are too many evolutionists who would be willing to try to understand a simple question. But you prove that there are a few exclusions. I don’t know for how long you can last yet, but at least you have made an unusual effort.
First of all I have to talk you to a simple understanding that I need one, justone link, not 2, not 3, not many – justone link would be enough for me to reconsider my view. As a rule evolutionists are not good with arithmetic, they cannot count to one. I know a 4 years old, he can count to 10, I have not met an evolutionist who can count to 1, yet. Can you try the next time?
Secondly, when I ask for a link, I a kind of expect not a link to propagandist articles in propagandists newspapers and magazines. I can do that myself, - look:
Originally Posted by justone said:
Observed Instances of Speciation
by Joseph Boxhorn
Copyright © 1993-2004
[Last Update: September 1, 1995]
Speciation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Speciation is the evolutionary process by which new biological species arise. There are four modes of natural speciation, based on the extent to which speciating populations are geographically isolated from one another: allopatric, peripatric, parapatric, and sympatric. Speciation may also be induced artificially, through animal husbandry or laboratory experiments.
Observed examples of each kind of speciation are provided throughout.[1] .
http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/46932-evolution-did-we-really-evolve-apes-9.html#post1057996306
I even bolded red
Observed examples of each kind of speciation are provided throughout
And I asked :
Originally Posted by justone said:
Can you link me to one justone peer reviewed publication which demonstrates one justone observable factual occurrence of a NEW biological species arisal? One justone reference in the whole history of thousands experiments and observations? Not 2 not 3 not many, but one justone? One justone Observed example of speciation of whatever kind?
Why would an evolutionist post my own link as a reply to my question based on the link? I would never know, I am afraid. Some of them claim that they are apes… I hope you are not an ape, - is it possible that you are not?
I know that evolutionists do not understand minimal fairness, so I have to try to explain and bold it red now –
a link to a peer reviewed scientific publication. For instance: The link to the propagandist site:
Observed Instances of Speciation has a whole list which includes a whole bunch of peer reviewed articles. I am not even asking for such a fairness of not submitting an article from an evolutionist magazine where scientists do not publish their works. I am asking for one, justone article a peer reviewed scientific publication, so I can read and review it. Can you understand?
I bet you think I am stupid betting my views on one justone article. Evolutionists being the most ignorant part of the public think that others are stupid. I want you to spend days and possibly weeks of your life, and possibly devote your whole life looking for one, justone observation of speciation. I want to ruin your days and possibly your life. It is my little revenge for all the personal insults I always get from evolutionists. It is my little revenge for the outrage of evolutionists over science, for the aggressive violence of evolutionists putting science in its darkest ages. Because I not only know that you will never find a single observation of speciation in peer reviewed publications, but I also know why.
Here's another:
Evolution Observed in Laboratory Bacteria
I don't really expect that you'll read those reports. You certainly won't accept them. And I've got little doubt that you'll be back later in this thread, or some other, claiming that no evolutionist has ever been able to link to just one observation of the phenomenon of evolution.
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You don’t worry about me reading, try to become an exclusion and read an article before you decide that you have found one and you are ready to post it. The first thing evolutionists do – they make me read articles for them.
Your “report”” is not qualified to be a report, but again as a courtesy – the quality one will never find in an evolutionists I have read it and it says:
‘’Somewhere around the 31,500th generation, the E. Coli developed a trait not present in the original strain: they began to be able to metabolise citrate, the inability of which is one of the main ways scientists distinguish E. Coli from other bacteria.’’
Just some of my reports say:
Plasmids in Escherichia coli controlling citrate-utilizing ability.
The citrate-utilizing ability of 19 out of 22 citrate-positive Escherichia coli strains isolated from pig sewage was transferred via conjugation to E. coli K-12.
The Escherichia coli Citrate Carrier CitT: a Member of a Novel Eubacterial Transporter Family Related to the 2-Oxoglutarate/Malate Translocator from Spinach Chloroplasts -- Pos et al. 180 (16): 4160 -- The Journal of Bacteriology
Escherichia coli converts citrate to acetate and succinate. Here we report that the open reading frame ……. on the E. coli chromosome between rna and the citrate lyase genes encodes a citrate carrier.
Active site mutants of Escherichia coli citrate synthase. Effects of mutations on catalytic and allosteric properties -- Pereira et al. 269 (1): 412 -- Journal of Biological Chemistry
The mutations of histidine 264 and aspartate 362 affect steady-state kinetics as would be anticipated from current models for citrate synthase catalysis, and resemble mutations of these residues, in pig heart and E. coli enzyme, reported by others…
As you can see I do read. You are not the 1st evolutionist who is trying. All of them know that I do respect their attempts and do pay attention, - until the moment they go completely blind and desert to strawmen and personal insults. Some of them just circle around – all I have to do is to demonstrate to the public their circling and circus. Some of them cut and run. But none of them has ever submitted one justone link. Because it cannot be there. And all of them go to other treads and even other forums and keep on yelling that evolution has been observed and it is a fact. Some of them are here and they looking at you, knowing what is going to happen as good as I do. You are not the 1st one.
In reality, as one can see from the reports, a number of strains of E. Coli is known to metabolize citrate. E. Coli, as all other bacteria has an extraordinary ability to mutation, - this is what bacteria are known for. Mechanisms of RNA transportation and other which allow E.Coli to convert (or not to convert) citrate are not very well understood or known. Serious scientists study and try to decode such mechanisms, - they follow methodology of the Christian creationist scientist Gregor Mendel, while evolutionists conduct lengthy and unclean and UNREPEATED manipulations and post dubious conclusions, - they follow methodology of Darwin . So, would you be so kind to explain what is the conclusion???: -
in the beginning we had E. Coli known for some strains capable of metabolizing citrate – and they have evolved into__________________________________________________
please, be so kind to fill the blank.
And that is short exert from what I can say about microevolution. I suggest you to try Nylon eating bacteria, - it is another evolutionists’ favorite after E.Coli. …- everything, even telephones looks like evolution to them. You really want to start me on bacteria? Go ahead, but remember, you have one justone shot.
(I must confess that I have never been able to keep my threat of one shot. I always allowed more than one for evolutionists, I cannot really hold them as grown up humans when they claim to be apes…and so I am doing it again, - may be it is just fun for me to see it to the end, to the insults, strawmen, etc.)
BTW, it is not important, but if you have a minute, - I did not get to you in my post about facts of evolution, can you describe in your personal world of fantasies how I should imagine the ancestor - as an ape…? of what kind, something similar to ape? Donkey with a remarkable penis? an alien? How do you develop such abilities to live by fantasies?