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  • Yes, we evolved from Apes.

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  • No, we have not evolved in any shape or form, we are the same biological beings we have always been.

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  • Yes, we did evolve, but i do not think we evolved from Apes.

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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    "Undeniable" is in fact too strong of a word in this regard.

    I find it convincing. But that doesn't mean there's no possibility of finding out something else which contradicts it.
    The problem with undeniable is that it is subjective. Creationists deny evolution yet use the commercial, tangible products that are derived from it. To rational people, evolution and its evidence is undeniable as manifest in things we use every day. But they still deny it.
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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    The problem with undeniable is that it is subjective. Creationists deny evolution yet use the commercial, tangible products that are derived from it. To rational people, evolution and its evidence is undeniable as manifest in things we use every day. But they still deny it.
    The problem with this is that it makes no sense.

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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    Fine, how about "overwhelming evidence" with more and more pouring in EVERY day and NOTHING contradicting it.
    Well, no; there ARE inconsistencies found; for example, some scientists will say that are some big changes that happened over a much, much quicker period of time than the standard model could account for.

    Like I said, I find it convincing, but that doesn't mean it's undeniable.


    I am not saying there is no possibility that evidence will come in that contradicts it, I'm saying its as unlikely as finding out that we don't actually orbit the sun. Hows that?
    I dunno; cosmologists discover things all the time which fundamentally alter our understanding of the universe. It's certainly not beyond question that something may come along and do so for current understandings of evolution, too.
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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    The problem with undeniable is that it is subjective. Creationists deny evolution yet use the commercial, tangible products that are derived from it. To rational people, evolution and its evidence is undeniable as manifest in things we use every day. But they still deny it.
    I believe that both creationists and evolutionists are to some extent correct...

    Humans definately have connections to apes but there are too big of evolution gaps to be filled.

    Possibly the way humans jumped from apes is from visitors long ago who altered the genes of apes and created Adam and Eve. Hence both creationists and evolutionists are correct.There is a lot of evidence from the past that points to the likelyhood of visitors in signs all over the globe.

    That being said I still cannot rule out the possibility of there being a true God in some form because even though it is quite likely the universe is full of life it still had to start somewhere.

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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    The problem with undeniable is that it is subjective. Creationists deny evolution yet use the commercial, tangible products that are derived from it. To rational people, evolution and its evidence is undeniable as manifest in things we use every day. But they still deny it.
    I don't think anyone rational denies that evolution occurs and has occurred since the beginning of life on earth. I think the devil is in the details. Putting the puzzle together, looking for origins, common ancestry, is it gradual constant and ongoing or occurring in bursts with periods of stability, is evolution progressive in nature or chaotic, should it be looked at as a tree of life as Darwin presented or has that notion adequately been debunked enough to toss it out all together....

    The idea that evolution has occurred is undeniable. However much of what gets thrown about as theory of evolution and assertions stemming from it are completely worthy of criticism.

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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    The problem with this is that it makes no sense.
    Well, YECs aren't rational in their origin beliefs. I know a guy who whole hardly rejects evolution including radiometric dating tools to verify ages. Yet he calls for nuclear power despite not understanding the same principles behind nuclear power and radiometric dating. Say what? Exactly. And he uses oil despite big fossil firms utilizing evolutionary history to search for oil deposits. It's rather amusing to watch someone deny evolution and then go use its products.
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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by creativedreams View Post
    I believe that both creationists and evolutionists are to some extent correct
    Evolution is flawed no question. Mankind has not produced a single scientific theory or law that is absolute. Evolution will likely evolve over time to incorporate new findings and become a different theory in the future.

    As for creationist, depends what kind. YECs are fracking nuts.

    Humans definately have connections to apes but there are too big of evolution gaps to be filled.
    At the current moment yes.

    There is a lot of evidence from the past that points to the likelyhood of visitors in signs all over the globe.
    okay.....

    That being said I still cannot rule out the possibility of there being a true God in some form because even though it is quite likely the universe is full of life it still had to start somewhere.
    Abiogenesis. But just because we don't know (abiogenesis itself is shaky) does not mean we credit a God. Essentially what you just did was God of the Gaps. A more rational approach is "I don't know."
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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Well, YECs aren't rational in their origin beliefs. I know a guy who whole hardly rejects evolution including radiometric dating tools to verify ages. Yet he calls for nuclear power despite not understanding the same principles behind nuclear power and radiometric dating. Say what? Exactly. And he uses oil despite big fossil firms utilizing evolutionary history to search for oil deposits. It's rather amusing to watch someone deny evolution and then go use its products.
    I think you have folks who discuss evolution and the theory of evolution interchangeably so often not everyone is on the same page. There's a big difference between acknowledging evolution has occurred and becoming a full fledged Darwinist. You can accept evolution while being quite critical of the explanations for it, assertions about why, how, and when, and arguments over whether it's purposeful or chaotic, etc. It's one thing to look at something and see: this is what happened. It's a whole other discussion to start explaining what that evidence/fact/observation means in the larger picture.

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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Evolution is flawed no question. Mankind has not produced a single scientific theory or law that is absolute. Evolution will likely evolve over time to incorporate new findings and become a different theory in the future.

    As for creationist, depends what kind. YECs are fracking nuts.

    At the current moment yes.

    okay.....

    Abiogenesis. But just because we don't know (abiogenesis itself is shaky) does not mean we credit a God. Essentially what you just did was God of the Gaps. A more rational approach is "I don't know."
    I wouldn't call it flawed at all. They don't have a fossil for every species that ever existed, but I would regard that as an irrational expectation.

    The explanation is sound, and its predictive ability (finding Tiktalik for example) is top notch. What do you mean that no laws are absolute, the laws of physics certainly are.

    There are many absolutes and axioms in science and logic.

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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    I wouldn't call it flawed at all. They don't have a fossil for every species that ever existed, but I would regard that as an irrational expectation.

    The explanation is sound, and its predictive ability (finding Tiktalik for example) is top notch. What do you mean that no laws are absolute, the laws of physics certainly are.

    There are many absolutes and axioms in science and logic.

    "Reality is an absolute, existence is an absolute, a speck of dust is an absolute and so is a human life. Whether you live or die is an absolute. Whether you have a piece of bread or not, is an absolute." - Ayn Rand
    They've already pretty much tossed Darwin's simple Tree of Life. I'm sure there's tons more ways in which the theory of evolution will be tweaked before all is said and done.

    Again the problem is discussing evolution and the theory of evolution as the same thing.

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