View Poll Results: Did we evolve from Apes?

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  • Yes, we evolved from Apes.

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  • No, we have not evolved in any shape or form, we are the same biological beings we have always been.

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  • Yes, we did evolve, but i do not think we evolved from Apes.

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Thread: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Also, if the first male donkey evolved in Kazakistan and the first female donkey evolved in Ireland, how did they hook up?
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    Quote Originally Posted by vauge View Post
    Some scientist seem to agree:G.

    Those scientists are wrong.

    That's easy.

    The theory of evolution is consistent with the fossil record, the genetic record, and observations spanning human history.

    To clear another thing up, a theory is a specific statement of explanation of a series of observed facts. To be a valid theory that statement has to explain the facts, provide a means of testing that explanation, and containing a means of demonstrating how that the theory may shown false.

    Evolution is a fully formed and mature scientific theory that's passed all the tests and it forms one of the bedrocks of modern biology.

    Creationism is not a theory. God, after all, has never been proven to exist.

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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
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    Those scientists are wrong.

    That's easy.

    The theory of evolution is consistent with the fossil record, the genetic record, and observations spanning human history.

    To clear another thing up, a theory is a specific statement of explanation of a series of observed facts. To be a valid theory that statement has to explain the facts, provide a means of testing that explanation, and containing a means of demonstrating how that the theory may shown false.

    Evolution is a fully formed and mature scientific theory that's passed all the tests and it forms one of the bedrocks of modern biology.

    Creationism is not a theory. God, after all, has never been proven to exist.
    Look I just get annoyed when scientific theory is peddled as fact. To say, "it's passed all the tests..." is just so dang ignorant. It hasn't "passed all the tests." We don't even know what the common ancestor was. We just found out in the past few years that whatever the hell it was it probably lived on the ground and not in the dang trees. Evolution in no way speaks to origin. The fossil record is incomplete,etc. It's passed all the tests, gimme a break.

    It's sound. It's more sound and scientific than creationists or my alien theories. However it is not fact. It has yet to be disproven and we'd all do well to take that FWIW. But it is by no means the end all be all of biology and it most certainly is not above criticism.

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    Re: Read the article, a theory is not a guess

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post

    You do realize that laws and theories address different things don't you? And that NO amount of confirmation can ever make a theory a law right? Oh wait you don't.
    Not really other than a macro micro sort of thing where laws speak to specifics and theories are more all encompassing.

    I just don't see what the political issue is with declaring that scientific theories are not guesses.

    I understand wanting to separate scientific theory from crackpot theory but to say there isn't some guessing involved in interpretation of facts to construct a "theory" is total hogwash. You might have a high expectation, an educated expectation, that things do happen the way the theory has explained them but till it's a fact, it's not a fact - it's a guess.

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    Re: Read the article, a theory is not a guess

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Not really other than a macro micro sort of thing where laws speak to specifics and theories are more all encompassing.

    I just don't see what the political issue is with declaring that scientific theories are not guesses.

    I understand wanting to separate scientific theory from crackpot theory but to say there isn't some guessing involved in interpretation of facts to construct a "theory" is total hogwash. You might have a high expectation, an educated expectation, that things do happen the way the theory has explained them but till it's a fact, it's not a fact - it's a guess.
    A crackpot theory is not a scientific theory at all, its a failed hypothesis. Scientific terminology is not the same as the layperson's everyday speech.

    This is not a political issue, but a necessary term distinction. Insist that it is a guess all you want, you are simply wrong. There is guesswork involved in arriving at a theory, its @ the very beginning of the scientific method. Its called a HYPOTHESIS.

    A valid, proven, supported theory like evolution or the fact that we orbit our sun are true. Fossil evidence is not the only evidence for common ancestry, in fact its the weakest when compared to the genetic evidence. Which we have, and its undeniable.
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    Re: Read the article, a theory is not a guess

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    A crackpot theory is not a scientific theory at all, its a failed hypothesis. Scientific terminology is not the same as the layperson's everyday speech.

    This is not a political issue, but a necessary term distinction.
    Right. Which I get, completely. Which is why I said I understand wanting to separate the two.

    However when you assert that a scientific theory is not a guess, that there was no guess work involved, in formulating the theory I don't get that. I think then you've gone too far. I can understand explaining why a scientific theory has more merit in comparison to a general theory but too often people speak of them as if they're factual.

    How does scientific theory not involve guess work???

    Let's say you see a pattern, a factual observable pattern, that is highly repetitive. You would be making a very educated assertion if you were to say that you knew what came next in the pattern right? But still, it would be a guess. It's unlikely the pattern would change and your facts and observations are supportive evidence of that but still when you assert what the next piece of the pattern is going to be before you know it to be true you are making a GUESS.

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    Re: Read the article, a theory is not a guess

    Read my post again. You're confusing a theory with a hypothesis, which can be regarded as a guess.
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    Re: Read the article, a theory is not a guess

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post

    A valid, proven, supported theory like evolution or the fact that we orbit our sun are true. Fossil evidence is not the only evidence for common ancestry, in fact its the weakest when compared to the genetic evidence. Which we have, and its undeniable.
    This is exactly what I mean. Proven, undeniable? We have undeniable genetic evidence that humans most definitely did have a common ancestor as today's modern apes. Really? Undeniable evidence. I haven't read anything that even comes close to being undeniable. I haven't even read anything where a scientist has the audacity to declare the evidence is undeniable.

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    Re: Read the article, a theory is not a guess

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    This is exactly what I mean. Proven, undeniable? We have undeniable genetic evidence that humans most definitely did have a common ancestor as today's modern apes. Really? Undeniable evidence. I haven't read anything that even comes close to being undeniable. I haven't even read anything where a scientist has the audacity to declare the evidence is undeniable.
    Yes, the genetic evidence is regarded as proof. The comparative DNA between Humans and Chimps are a matter of fact. We can compare our DNA to every other species, and when we did guess what; The common sequences revealed common ancestry, as a great big family tree EXACTLY as evolution predicted.

    Some evidence is undeniable, logic can be undeniable, some truths are axiomatic. The fact that 1+1=2 is undeniable, and theoretical physicists who deal in only math would also make such claims about evidence.

    PLEASE READ THE ARTICLES

    You can deny the definitions, or the facts of the matter; but that does not make said fact any less undeniable. Got any evidence that contradicts the genetic evidence for evolution? Do you have any REASON to deny common descent?

    In short, do you believe in the validity of paternity tests?
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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    "Undeniable" is in fact too strong of a word in this regard.

    I find it convincing. But that doesn't mean there's no possibility of finding out something else which contradicts it.
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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    "Undeniable" is in fact too strong of a word in this regard.

    I find it convincing. But that doesn't mean there's no possibility of finding out something else which contradicts it.
    Fine, how about "overwhelming evidence" with more and more pouring in EVERY day and NOTHING contradicting it.

    I am not saying there is no possibility that evidence will come in that contradicts it, I'm saying its as unlikely as finding out that we don't actually orbit the sun. Hows that?
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    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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