View Poll Results: Did we evolve from Apes?

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  • Yes, we evolved from Apes.

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  • No, we have not evolved in any shape or form, we are the same biological beings we have always been.

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  • Yes, we did evolve, but i do not think we evolved from Apes.

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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Or bottlenose dolphins and false killer whales which can interbreed and produce fertile offspring, although they are different dolphin species. Wholphin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The definition of "species" needs some amending.
    A textbook definition will never be able to account for the diversity of life. There are all sorts of gray areas where animals are sort-of the same species and sort-of different species. Our taxonomic classifications are a useful guide, but they were created by humans, not nature. There will always be organisms that don't fit neatly into our preconceived ideas of what a member of a certain group should be...look at the platypus.
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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Duke View Post
    No, not at all. You're simply ignoring the facts and substituting your own whacked ideas. Science has proven that evolution happens via observation and testing in regards to the genetic code. I say this to you, although I know you will not let this information into your head. You are more comfortable living in your delusion than accepting the truth, and there is very little any of us can do, though we are armed with the facts, to tear down your delusion. I am done trying to prove evolution, a truth of our world to you.


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    So I ask you, disprove or invalidate evolution.
    There is nothing there to disprove.


    One does not disprove delusional ideas.

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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Fair enough. Nevertheless, they are a good example of something we have observed adapting to its environment and becoming radically different from what we started with.
    It's not really adapting per se.

    Mutations in viruses come about because of the way that they are reproduced.

    Take retro viruses for example. they actually splice into the host's DNA to replicate. Others will use the hosts RNA.

    That's a big part of the reason they have a high rate of mutation. Teh way they replicate actually will change the DNA. This splicing ability is also the reason why viral vectors are being used in genetic engineering.

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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by justone View Post
    I did not ask you. You were invited to make a bet.
    My bad.



    I'm not betting. It seems the odds are against me.

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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    (if you count those as species).
    why should I ever?

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    What exactly is a "different species" aside from a series of mutations in DNA?
    a series of mutations in DNA has lead to appearance of you and I from your definition you and I are different species. I cannot deny that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    If you accept that genes can change over a short period of time as organisms adapt to their environment, then it logically follows that there will be a LOT of changes over a LONG period of time.
    I am not arguing your logic, am I?



    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    And that's all speciation really is...a lot of genetic changes from the original until you have something very different.
    I am very different from you, am I a different specie?

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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    It seems the odds are against me.

    Your perception is based on your undeserved attitude towards yourself. You understimate yourself. You exactly know how place the bet. You deserve to be a winner.

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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by justone View Post
    a series of mutations in DNA has lead to appearance of you and I from your definition you and I are different species. I cannot deny that.
    No, we are the same species. But if you acknowledge that there will be small genetic changes over the generations as animals adapt better to their environment, then it stands to reason that a lot of small changes will add up to some pretty big changes (i.e. new species).

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    I am not arguing your logic, am I?
    So you acknowledge then that there will be major changes over long periods of time, compared to the ancestor? I guess I'm confused what problem you have with the theory of evolution then...

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    I am very different from you, am I a different specie?
    No, you are not very different from me. Over 99.9% of our genes are exactly the same.
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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    No, we are the same species. But if you acknowledge that there will be small genetic changes over the generations as animals adapt better to their environment, then it stands to reason that a lot of small changes will add up to some pretty big changes (i.e. new species).



    So you acknowledge then that there will be major changes over long periods of time, compared to the ancestor? I guess I'm confused what problem you have with the theory of evolution then...



    No, you are not very different from me. Over 99.9% of our genes are exactly the same.
    I have not been arguing against the occurence of genetical changes. The occurence has been observed in experiments, the propositions
    ( mathematical equations) explaining the changes have been made and confirmed in experiments.

    I have not been arguing against your logical conclusions or reasoning leading to the conclusions, all I have ben asking if the conclusions have ever been observed, if propositions have ever been made and confirmed in experiments, - ever, at least justonce.

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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by justone View Post
    I have not been arguing against the occurence of genetical changes. The occurence has been observed in experiments, the propositions
    ( mathematical equations) explaining the changes have been made and confirmed in experiments.

    I have not been arguing against your logical conclusions or reasoning leading to the conclusions, all I have ben asking if the conclusions have ever been observed, if propositions have ever been made and confirmed in experiments, - ever, at least justonce.
    You mean personally observed by scientists? Not that I am aware of. The theory of evolution has only been around for a little over a century. It takes a lot longer than that to see major changes in species (although we have observed lots of minor changes).

    However, the fossil record provides plenty of observable evidence of major changes.
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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post

    Now, it still remains a philosophy that I believe warrants consideration,
    I have not been having objections, as you can see
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    but I can now see why you have a strong aversion towards it's designation as a science with far more clarity than I could before. Thank you for that.
    I believe you are the 1st one who has understood the simple things I have been proving during the last year and a half. I am standing speechless.

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    Perhaps all evolutionists were not created equal?
    Your treatment of yourself is absolutely undeserved

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