View Poll Results: Did we evolve from Apes?

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  • Yes, we evolved from Apes.

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  • No, we have not evolved in any shape or form, we are the same biological beings we have always been.

    26 19.55%
  • Yes, we did evolve, but i do not think we evolved from Apes.

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Thread: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Nice analogy. We know for a fact that watches are made by people.
    Personally, I grow most weary of people using William Paley's argument without citation.

    There are so many people who seem to think this is some great sort of logic, but it is really just a very well-known case of the fallacy of accident.

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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by justone View Post
    And each time you decided:
    if these things look similar to my eye and feelings then they have a common ancestor.
    No, not at all. You're simply ignoring the facts and substituting your own whacked ideas. Science has proven that evolution happens via observation and testing in regards to the genetic code. I say this to you, although I know you will not let this information into your head. You are more comfortable living in your delusion than accepting the truth, and there is very little any of us can do, though we are armed with the facts, to tear down your delusion. I am done trying to prove evolution, a truth of our world to you.

    So I ask you, disprove or invalidate evolution.


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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by justone View Post
    please answer the question:

    Have we ever observed different species evolving from a common ancestor?

    Answer: Yes or No?
    No, we've never directly observed this.

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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by justone View Post
    I am trying again, - please answer the question:

    Have we ever observed different species evolving from a common ancestor?

    Answer: Yes or No?
    Well, viruses do it all the time (if you count those as species).

    What exactly is a "different species" aside from a series of mutations in DNA? If you accept that genes can change over a short period of time as organisms adapt to their environment, then it logically follows that there will be a LOT of changes over a LONG period of time. And that's all speciation really is...a lot of genetic changes from the original until you have something very different.
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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Well, viruses do it all the time (if you count those as species).

    What exactly is a "different species" aside from a series of mutations in DNA? If you accept that genes can change over a short period of time as organisms adapt to their environment, then it logically follows that there will be a LOT of changes over a LONG period of time. And that's all speciation really is...a lot of genetic changes from the original.
    I don't really know if viruses qualify as a species. Some argue that because they can't self-replicate, they aren't truly "alive", depending upon one's definiteion of life.

    And where would prions fit in all of this?

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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    No, we've never directly observed this.
    Nope, not in real time. And we don't need to either, we're a smart species, we've evolved past such silly stuff.


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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Well, viruses do it all the time (if you count those as species).

    What exactly is a "different species" aside from a series of mutations in DNA? If you accept that genes can change over a short period of time as organisms adapt to their environment, then it logically follows that there will be a LOT of changes over a LONG period of time. And that's all speciation really is...a lot of genetic changes from the original until you have something very different.
    A different species is often defined as a species that can not produce fertile young with the the descendants of the species from which it descended. Of course, this doesn't quite apply to most bacteria or viruses


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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I don't really know if viruses qualify as a species. Some argue that because they can't self-replicate, they aren't truly "alive", depending upon one's definiteion of life.
    Fair enough. Nevertheless, they are a good example of something we have observed adapting to its environment and becoming radically different from what we started with. There's not really any reason that "living" things wouldn't be able do to the same.
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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Duke View Post
    A different species is often defined as a species that can not produce fertile young with the the descendants of the species from which it descended. Of course, this doesn't quite apply to most bacteria or viruses
    Or bottlenose dolphins and false killer whales which can interbreed and produce fertile offspring, although they are different dolphin species. [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolphin]Wholphin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

    The definition of "species" needs some amending.

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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    No, we've never directly observed this.
    I did not ask you. You were invited to make a bet.

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