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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Pelicans, of course.
    Just the answer I was looking for. I mean, that's the only logical conclusion based on the evidence we have, after all.


    Grateful Heart: Ha ha, sure, I mean, apes evolved from something which evolved from something...


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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I only steal wooden spoons.
    ……- and this is Tucker. He steals wooden spoons. I hope you have a few in the house, if not we brought some with us. Can you put them somewhere for him?
    - Oh, don’t worry, Jim was cleaning our attick yesterday, and he found about 4 wooden spoons. He was going to put them in dumpster tomorrow. I will ask him to rinse them for Tucker.


    Tucker, I apologize that I could sound somewhat mentoring in my last reply to you, it was not an intention, I was tired, was thinking about something else and just did not want to play games around.

    I think you may have some self-identity problem, - atheists are not those who collect wooden spoons, - atheists are those who cannot understand 2 simple sentences whoever long you try to explain to them, those who gather in groups attracted to each other and who exhibit indecent and repulsive behavior and whose ignorance is not excusable but aggressive. Since you keep on failing these checks I am not going to call you an atheist anymore and I apologize for previous cases. I was confused by your self-identification.


    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    P.S. To justone: I forgot that you had asked for a source for my Einstein quotes from way back and just remembered while I was posting this. They come from Einstein's Eulogy to Isaac Newton in the Smithsonian Annual Report for 1927.
    Thank you. It did sound very close to the meaning of the quote from the Appendix. I had to take a university exam which was including the TOR. I have not been doing any reading lately, and I am not planning, even if it causes some sweet memories.

    Quote Originally Posted by Originally Posted by Tucker Case
    More accurately, Einstein said that Relativity "Quantitatively... made little modification in Newton's theory, but qualitatively a deep-seated one." And that Relativity "may be conceived as an organic development of Newton's thought." .
    Quote Originally Posted by Originally Posted by justone
    Would an evolutionist understand what does mean "Quantitatively... made little modification in Newton's theory, but qualitatively a deep-seated one."? No way.
    OK. You tried. And?

    How do you feel? Still in the shower spraying deodorant around?

    Just for you, Tucker:

    Einstein exactly says that the TOR follows rules of science and is not anything exotic is not anything like evolution. Einstein exactly says that the deductions from Newton’s theory (or mathematical formulas) give positions of the planets, and allow pre-calculate other observed phenomena, and the deductions from the TOR give practically the same positions, only more accurate (exactly as it is worded in Rule IV) Thus it checks out to be valid on the day arrival, which is totally opposite to evolution which neither checks out nor has a day of arrival.

    As simple as that.

    The TOR makes Newton’s theory liable to exceptions in cases of new occurrences of phenomena of movement of light and electromagnetic waves which were not observed by Newton and thus couldn’t be explained/ included in Newton’s consideration. Einstein points in the TOR that the deductions = formulas are also result of Maxwell’s observations of electromagnetism and the TOR confirms to them as it confirms to the motions of the planets in the paragraph above. Thus the TOR checks out to be valid on the day arrival, and that is totally opposite to evolution which neither checks out nor has a day of arrival.

    Einstein points there are only very few things in the Theory that are “”new” and don’t have observations but only evidence behind them.

    Like Newton couldn’t mention or think how the discovery of Neptune on a piece of paper will be made possible by his theory in the same way Hubble’s suggestions or Cosmology have nothing to do to the few investigations mentioned. The particular reference of Einstein to observations of the Doppler effect in the TOR is a reference to observations, and the Doppler effect caused Hubble’s suggestions, too.

    Both theories are inducted by observations of phenomena, by occurrences observed and produced and reproduced in experiments. (Take their deductions, calculate – we need such an acceptation to lift the body of such a weight from the earth and transport it to the orbit. Theoretically. It will take so much time for the body then to reach the moon. Theoretically. Experiment. Confirmed. We are very close.) This is their fundamental difference from evolution which makes no such deductions and refers to no occurrences observed, which is a pure speculation. Both TOR and Newton’s theories satisfy the main task of science – they produce equations which describe the occurrences and predict the same occurrences of the same bodies in the universe. Moreover they are used for development of such useful theories as the theory of structural materials, or rocket science, astronomic calculations of a comet hitting /not hitting the earth etc; they predict and explain appearances of Cosmic events, - we pre-calculate the events. Evolution does not satisfy the main task of science it produces no equations and it has not been having any use.

    So you are quite close in your consideration and you are absolutely correct about evolutionists, - it is quite clear they are totally misread the basic text, which is another proof that they cannot comprehend a simple sentence. It is quite clear they have never read the TOR or any texts related to Hubble and Big bang, it is quite clear that they are not capable of reading. On your own experience you have seen the aggressive and violent ignorance of evolutionists.


    Now for everyone else:

    No decent man – however he understands or does not understand Einstein, quotes, etc would not see clearly that evolutionists all over suddenly came up with blaming me for denial of the TOR when it is quite clear that I am basing my statements on the TOR and I know what I am talking about. It is quite clear that they cannot understand a simple sentence.

    Switching back to Tucker:

    It should be proven for you now that there is no blame you can put on me for spraying loads of deodorant when an evolutionist shows up in the room. It should be proven for you that there is no sense to exercise sweetness with them, - you can see I tried for you - it makes no difference.
    Last edited by justone; 04-29-09 at 11:24 PM.

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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    What I don't get is that there are people who look at apes and at humans and think we're somehow not related. Man and ape share common ancestor, evolution is known to have happened. Measured fact. .
    What I don't get is that there are people who look at apes and at humans and think we're somehow related and share and common ancestor which could be anything else but not a superman from whom we and apes has evolved.

    During all existence of humanity we have conducted huge, uncounted number of most extensive experiments with species but we have never observed species evolving from a common ancestor no matter to what extremes we have gone trying to make it happen. What I don't get is that there are people who say that it is a fact that it happens. These people call themselves scientists. When I move to a new neighborhood I make sure that there are no scientists among my neighbors.

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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by justone View Post
    When I move to a new neighborhood I make sure that there are no scientists among my neighbors.
    I couldn't think of a better way to end this thread.

    Please stop. You're killing us!


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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    I couldn't think of a better way to end this thread.

    Please stop. You're killing us!

    Hey, if he wants to live with the indigenous tribes, that's his choice! Missionary work is respectable work, you know.
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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by justone View Post
    ……- and this is Tucker. He steals wooden spoons. I hope you have a few in the house, if not we brought some with us. Can you put them somewhere for him?
    - Oh, don’t worry, Jim was cleaning our attick yesterday, and he found about 4 wooden spoons. He was going to put them in dumpster tomorrow. I will ask him to rinse them for Tucker.
    SCORE!!!!


    Tucker, I apologize that I could sound somewhat mentoring in my last reply to you, it was not an intention, I was tired, was thinking about something else and just did not want to play games around.

    I think you may have some self-identity problem, - atheists are not those who collect wooden spoons, - atheists are those who cannot understand 2 simple sentences whoever long you try to explain to them, those who gather in groups attracted to each other and who exhibit indecent and repulsive behavior and whose ignorance is not excusable but aggressive. Since you keep on failing these checks I am not going to call you an atheist anymore and I apologize for previous cases. I was confused by your self-identification.
    Whatever works, bro.





    Einstein exactly says that the TOR follows rules of science and is not anything exotic is not anything like evolution. Einstein exactly says that the deductions from Newton’s theory (or mathematical formulas) give positions of the planets, and allow pre-calculate other observed phenomena, and the deductions from the TOR give practically the same positions, only more accurate (exactly as it is worded in Rule IV) Thus it checks out to be valid on the day arrival, which is totally opposite to evolution which neither checks out nor has a day of arrival.

    As simple as that.

    The TOR makes Newton’s theory liable to exceptions in cases of new occurrences of phenomena of movement of light and electromagnetic waves which were not observed by Newton and thus couldn’t be explained/ included in Newton’s consideration. Einstein points in the TOR that the deductions = formulas are also result of Maxwell’s observations of electromagnetism and the TOR confirms to them as it confirms to the motions of the planets in the paragraph above. Thus the TOR checks out to be valid on the day arrival, and that is totally opposite to evolution which neither checks out nor has a day of arrival.

    Einstein points there are only very few things in the Theory that are “”new” and don’t have observations but only evidence behind them.

    Like Newton couldn’t mention or think how the discovery of Neptune on a piece of paper will be made possible by his theory in the same way Hubble’s suggestions or Cosmology have nothing to do to the few investigations mentioned. The particular reference of Einstein to observations of the Doppler effect in the TOR is a reference to observations, and the Doppler effect caused Hubble’s suggestions, too.

    Both theories are inducted by observations of phenomena, by occurrences observed and produced and reproduced in experiments. (Take their deductions, calculate – we need such an acceptation to lift the body of such a weight from the earth and transport it to the orbit. Theoretically. It will take so much time for the body then to reach the moon. Theoretically. Experiment. Confirmed. We are very close.) This is their fundamental difference from evolution which makes no such deductions and refers to no occurrences observed, which is a pure speculation. Both TOR and Newton’s theories satisfy the main task of science – they produce equations which describe the occurrences and predict the same occurrences of the same bodies in the universe. Moreover they are used for development of such useful theories as the theory of structural materials, or rocket science, astronomic calculations of a comet hitting /not hitting the earth etc; they predict and explain appearances of Cosmic events, - we pre-calculate the events. Evolution does not satisfy the main task of science it produces no equations and it has not been having any use.
    Well said, justone. I think you have hit the nail squarely on the head regarding the fundamental differences between evolution and traditional science. I agree. This is the fundamental flaw with evolution.

    It has a high propensity for subjectivity that doesn't exist in traditional science. I must say that you have posed a very convincing argument in favor of a paradigm shift regarding evolution where it is moved from the "science" category into the philosophy category.

    Now, it still remains a philosophy that I believe warrants consideration, but I can now see why you have a strong aversion towards it's designation as a science with far more clarity than I could before. Thank you for that.


    It should be proven for you now that there is no blame you can put on me for spraying loads of deodorant when an evolutionist shows up in the room. It should be proven for you that there is no sense to exercise sweetness with them, - you can see I tried for you - it makes no difference.
    Perhaps all evolutionists were not created equal? (pun fully intended )

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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by justone View Post
    What I don't get is that there are people who look at apes and at humans and think we're somehow related and share and common ancestor which could be anything else but not a superman from whom we and apes has evolved.
    Yeah, fancy that.

    Humans and chimps share 98.5% of their DNA.
    Humans and chimps are morphologically similar.
    Fossil evidence linking humans with ancient ape-like species exists.
    Retrogression studies of DNA show the point of divergence between chimp and human occured roughly seven million years ago.
    The oldest fossils in the hominid line are...gee, about seven million years old.
    The fossil evidence shows irrefutable proof of evolution happening in all species.

    But some people still have to insist that humans didn't evolve.

    What's wrong with them?

    Quote Originally Posted by justone View Post
    During all existence of humanity we have conducted huge, uncounted number of most extensive experiments with species but we have never observed species evolving from a common ancestor no matter to what extremes we have gone trying to make it happen.
    You mean like making corn out of the humble teosinte? Those kinds of "experiments"?

    Then again, of course, there's irrefutable evidence that species do evolve into other species.

    Hyracotherium, for instance, is the parent species of ...the horse, the donkey, and the zebra. This is borne out by the fossil record, and by the fact that the three species can interbreed but produce sterile offspring.

    Quote Originally Posted by justone View Post
    What I don't get is that there are people who say that it is a fact that it happens.
    That's because it is a fact.

    That's a strange idea for some, but many people call facts facts. Many of those people call dogmatic blindness to facts simple ignorance.

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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by justone View Post
    What I don't get is that there are people who look at apes and at humans and think we're somehow related and share and common ancestor which could be anything else but not a superman from whom we and apes has evolved.

    During all existence of humanity we have conducted huge, uncounted number of most extensive experiments with species but we have never observed species evolving from a common ancestor no matter to what extremes we have gone trying to make it happen. What I don't get is that there are people who say that it is a fact that it happens. These people call themselves scientists. When I move to a new neighborhood I make sure that there are no scientists among my neighbors.
    Evolution happened. If you deny evolution, then tell me where are the dinosaurs. Where were the humans? Evolution means change, it surprises me that people don't understand this. Things obviously have changed. Humans have been on this planet for only a small small fraction of its lifetime. We've seen fossil record, measured changes on a micro scale, seen the measured effects of evolution. Only the most ravenous of extremists would still deny that evolution happened at all. Sure, many dynamics are not quite known at this point; but the over all phenomenon is known to have occurred. Some people choose ignorance I guess...these people wouldn't want scientists as neighbors because why would you want someone who is smart and could maybe challenge your beliefs when you can find a bunch of sheep to live with who will just nod their heads in agreement without applying any amount of rational or logical thought to a problem. They can take field trips to that creation museum where they actually have displayed humans riding dinosaurs. Ignorance I guess is bliss.
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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Evolution happened. If you deny evolution, then tell me where are the dinosaurs. Where were the humans? Evolution means change, it surprises me that people don't understand this. Things obviously have changed. Humans have been on this planet for only a small small fraction of its lifetime. We've seen fossil record, measured changes on a micro scale, seen the measured effects of evolution. Only the most ravenous of extremists would still deny that evolution happened at all. Sure, many dynamics are not quite known at this point; but the over all phenomenon is known to have occurred. Some people choose ignorance I guess...these people wouldn't want scientists as neighbors because why would you want someone who is smart and could maybe challenge your beliefs when you can find a bunch of sheep to live with who will just nod their heads in agreement without applying any amount of rational or logical thought to a problem. They can take field trips to that creation museum where they actually have displayed humans riding dinosaurs. Ignorance I guess is bliss.
    by the same logic..then...where are there apes....and people?????

    we're both still here.....

    if WE evolved from apes.....why are there still apes...????

    and where did the majic break come????
    Ill keep my guns, torah, bible, and money.....you can keep the change

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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    joe astronaut landed on the moon.....when she stepped out of the landing module....she looked down and behold....there was a rolex watch laying on the moonscape......

    she picks it up....and ...damn ...its working...and the date is correct....

    ...she carries it back on board the mother ship...and askes captain kirk ...."where might this have come from?"....to which he replied....

    "well....millions and millions of years ago there was a rock...and over millions of years...it evolved................"


    now for your daily dose of reality.....humans have been at war since the beginning of time.....

    ...wheres the evoloution????????
    Ill keep my guns, torah, bible, and money.....you can keep the change

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