View Poll Results: Did we evolve from Apes?

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  • Yes, we evolved from Apes.

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  • No, we have not evolved in any shape or form, we are the same biological beings we have always been.

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  • Yes, we did evolve, but i do not think we evolved from Apes.

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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    Precisely, in fact we did not evolve from modern apes, we have a common ancestor with them. That ancestor was also an ape, as are we. "Ape" just means homonid.
    But the "common ancestor" theory is still just that, theory right? I remember back when Time magazine was announcing the common ancestor was found and it was Ardipithecus ramidus but that has since been debunked or at least reduced to "close to the common ancestor" but not the common ancestor.

    Earliest hominid discovery not the missing link But close

    Not having found definitive proof of the common ancestor doesn't mean there isn't one but it does leave the door open for that possibility.

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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    I recommend NOVA's Intelligent Design on Trial
    That was an outstanding program.......

    I think FrontLine aired something close as well
    Just cant remember the name.

    FRONTLINE: home | PBS

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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    For many, the journey is ongoing.


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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    But the "common ancestor" theory is still just that, theory right?
    Its also a "theory" that we revolve around the sun, theory doesn't mean guess in science.

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    I remember back when Time magazine was announcing the common ancestor was found and it was Ardipithecus ramidus but that has since been debunked or at least reduced to "close to the common ancestor" but not the common ancestor.

    Earliest hominid discovery not the missing link But close

    Not having found definitive proof of the common ancestor doesn't mean there isn't one but it does leave the door open for that possibility.
    The whole notion of a missing link or a "transitional fossil" is meaningless, all ancestors are transitional forms. There are gaps in the fossil records, they get smaller and smaller all the time.

    The fact remains that modern apes, our common ancestor, and homo sapiens are all apes, by definition.

    EDIT: Also, fossils are not the best way at determining the exact age and common ancestor, the genetic evidence for evolution and the common DNA when comparing human and chimpanzee samples is.
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    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    Its also a "theory" that we revolve around the sun, theory doesn't mean guess in science.
    Yeah I get that. But still it's important to not be all closed minded when dealing with theory.


    The whole notion of a missing link or a "transitional fossil" is meaningless, all ancestors are transitional forms. There are gaps in the fossil records, they get smaller and smaller all the time.

    The fact remains that modern apes, our common ancestor, and homo sapiens are all apes, by definition.
    Well I think there's still now a little room in there for some alien/god manipulation within the species whereas if the fossil record was complete with all links spoken for the fun alien stuff would seem childish. I take my alien manipulation theories quite seriously and I'd hate to have to give that up.

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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Science, Evolution and Creationism - National Academy of Sciences

    Thats an excellent resource on the debate.
    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Yeah I get that. But still it's important to not be all closed minded when dealing with theory.
    Who is being closed minded, the whole point of theory in science is that they can be changed when faced with new evidence. A theory in science means the idea is so well established that no new evidence is likely to alter them. In science it means "a comprehensive explanation of an important feature of nature that is supported by many facts gathered over time."

    Consider the compelling evidence that we orbit our sun, no matter how true we regard that theory, it is still subject to new evidence that could overturn it. This evidence would be HIGHLY unlikely, and would have to explain away our perceptions, let alone Newtonian physics.

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Well I think there's still now a little room in there for some alien/god manipulation within the species whereas if the fossil record was complete with all links spoken for the fun alien stuff would seem childish. I take my alien manipulation theories quite seriously and I'd hate to have to give that up.
    That's fine, if you have reason for your beliefs, or evidence of intervention I am all ears.

    I personally think the only mystery left in the study of life is its origin. I don't believe live started here, I believe in [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panspermia"]panspermia.[/ame]
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    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    I'm proof positive, that at some point along the evolutionary pathway, one of my ancestors ****ed a gorilla.

    WikiAnswers - How long is a gorilla penis

    The evidence is right there.

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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    The Op's poll is bad.
    Most evolutionists (there are always the nut-jobs) agree that we did not evolve from Apes. That we evolved from a similar biological entity. We should take evolution, and her many gizmos, as theory and not fact. Anything that turns from speculation becomes dogma, and thus questioning it becomes heresy. Question everything. Question why you wake up and go to work, Question why you wanted Rasin Bran over CoCo Puffs, Question why you settle for misery and a 30k salary. If you don't question things, then you will fail to understand anything.
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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    The Op's poll is bad.
    Most evolutionists (there are always the nut-jobs) agree that we did not evolve from Apes. That we evolved from a similar biological entity. We should take evolution, and her many gizmos, as theory and not fact. Anything that turns from speculation becomes dogma, and thus questioning it becomes heresy. Question everything. Question why you wake up and go to work, Question why you wanted Rasin Bran over CoCo Puffs, Question why you settle for misery and a 30k salary. If you don't question things, then you will fail to understand anything.
    What? In everyday language a theory means a hunch or speculation, but not so in science. Read the above posts. A theory is a collection of facts, and it has allowed scientists to verify countless predictions.

    I don't understand what you mean by "theory and not fact," that is a contradiction.

    I agree with you that we should "question everything," that is the whole point of science. Skepticism is the default scientific position, you don't gain any ground without evidence and/or mathematics to support your position.
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    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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