View Poll Results: Did we evolve from Apes?

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  • Yes, we evolved from Apes.

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  • No, we have not evolved in any shape or form, we are the same biological beings we have always been.

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  • Yes, we did evolve, but i do not think we evolved from Apes.

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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Oh, sure we can. Only a retarded Creatrix would put the vagus nerve in humans where it is. That's just one example from one animal. There are countless species, and not one single one of them is "perfectly" adapted to it's environment, it's merely adapted well enough to survive.

    Nah, Creationism was disproved long ago, even before it was ruled as nothing but a lame attempt to introduce religion into public classrooms.

    The evidence for human evolution from common ancestors with today's bonobos, chimpanzees, gorillas, orantutangs, and going further back, cats, dogs, and fish, is irrefutable. Since that evidence is conclusive in support of the fact of evolution by natural selection, the oddball weirdo religious dogmas to the contrary are disproven.

    How about if those people disprove the established facts of evolution before they try to concoct another off the wall fantasy to replace it?

    Really. Science disproved creationism long long ago. Easy enough to do. The Christians claim their god is a perfect god. Creationism is a Christian construct. The facts of life on planet earth are that living animals are hodgepodges of morphologies originally intended for one purpose being adapted to another over time. Any "designer" that produced "designs" like that is clearly imperfect, blind, and ignorant. Ergo, by the definitions the Christians have of their god, He could not have designed life on earth. Thus, Creationism is false.

    Yeah, then they turn around and argue that they're not talking about a "christian" god.

    Yeah, right. There's no evidence supporting their claim, there's the facts of evolution denying it, they're all disproven.
    I'm not sure what debating rather or not Creationism is a scientific theory would accomplish, since there is no result for either of us regardless of who won that debate, so I'll respectfully bow out of that branch of the discussion.

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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    As a scientific theory, no YEC, cannot be claimed to be disproved. But as general idea not to mention specific arguments Creationism makes, it can be argued with utmost certainty that creationism has been disproved.
    Well, not to support Creationism in the science class room here (which I strictly oppose, for the record), but I could take your logic to a point in history and say categorically that the theory of the incandescint bulb is conclusively disproven, in toto.

    So far Creationism hasn't failed; it has simply found 2,000 ways not to succeed as a valid scientific theory.

    Today, Creationism is not a scientific theory, therefore it does not belong in the science classroom. At best it might serve as a an example of what science is not and how to spot pseudoscience, but even then I would advise avoiding the entire topic in the face of it's political volatility. Let's teach our children to read and let the parent's decide rather to set the Bible or Reason in front of them at breakfast, please.

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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    As a scientific theory, no YEC, cannot be claimed to be disproved. But as general idea not to mention specific arguments Creationism makes, it can be argued with utmost certainty that creationism has been disproved.
    I think Young Earth Creationism specifically has been well disproved. There is a claim of 6,000 years and it's been measured accurately and it's much older. In general, creationism cannot be disproved though.
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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Well, not to support Creationism in the science class room here (which I strictly oppose, for the record), but I could take your logic to a point in history and say categorically that the theory of the incandescint bulb is conclusively disproven, in toto.
    There is no theory of incandescent bulbs. Your analogy doesn't make sense. Furthermore, we both agree that Creationism is not a scientific theory. A theory is made up of facts, testable evidence and tested hypothesizes all concluding in the theory's premise. Creationism does not have facts, does not have testable evidence and does not have tested hypothesizes. Neither does the incandescent bulb.

    So far Creationism hasn't failed; it has simply found 2,000 ways not to succeed as a valid scientific theory.
    Indeed. But what Creationism has failed to do, for the most part, is change what it says.

    Today, Creationism is not a scientific theory, therefore it does not belong in the science classroom.
    I wouldn't mind a science class discussing Creationism as why it's not science and how what it says fails the most basic of the scientific laws.

    Let's teach our children to read and let the parent's decide rather to set the Bible or Reason in front of them at breakfast, please.
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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    I know I didn't come from apes, but I'm convinced that liberals did.
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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    If your Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Sihk, Athiest, Agnostic, whatever, i want to hear your opinions on Evolution. Did it occur? If so, are we the biologically enhanced version of Apes, changed over thousands of years of evolution? Or did it not happen at all. Does it have any scientific basis? Or did a being from a greater source place us here?

    Whats your opinions?
    If man evolved from apes, then why are still apes?

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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed Shaheen View Post
    If man evolved from apes, then why are still apes?
    You mean why are humans still apes? or did you mean why are apes still apes?
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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed Shaheen View Post
    If man evolved from apes, then why are still apes?
    Questions such as these are demonstrative of a basic misunderstanding of the science and processes of evolution. Generally, a species does not evolve all together, in the same way, like one big happy family. A fortuitous mutation occurs, giving one organism an advantage over the rest, allowing this organism to reproduce more than others. If this happens enough times, the new strain will not be able to reproduce with the old (non-mutated) strain, and it will be considered a new species. When a new ecological niche opens, where resources are available, a species (or multiple species) often evolves to fill this niche (as an organism that is able to take advantage of these resources will be able to reproduce more, et cetera). There is still an ecological niche for apes where they exist, resources from which they can live and reproduce, therefore, there are still apes. Humans are a branch of the Greater Apes; there are other branches.


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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    You mean why are humans still apes? or did you mean why are apes still apes?
    :S none of them, although your first question might be ture

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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Duke View Post
    Questions such as these are demonstrative of a basic misunderstanding of the science and processes of evolution. Generally, a species does not evolve all together, in the same way, like one big happy family. A fortuitous mutation occurs, giving one organism an advantage over the rest, allowing this organism to reproduce more than others. If this happens enough times, the new strain will not be able to reproduce with the old (non-mutated) strain, and it will be considered a new species. When a new ecological niche opens, where resources are available, a species (or multiple species) often evolves to fill this niche (as an organism that is able to take advantage of these resources will be able to reproduce more, et cetera). There is still an ecological niche for apes where they exist, resources from which they can live and reproduce, therefore, there are still apes. Humans are a branch of the Greater Apes; there are other branches.


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    Nice talking, but if that is true (We had'nt all evolved together) that mean that we are Attesting an evolution in Apes species to a primitive man right now, which is not happening .

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