View Poll Results: Did we evolve from Apes?

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  • Yes, we evolved from Apes.

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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    That claim is equally irrational.

    It is precisely because Creationism can not be falsified that Creationism is not a scientific theory. Since it is not a scientific theory, one can't claim that it has been disproved.
    Oh, sure we can. Only a retarded Creatrix would put the vagus nerve in humans where it is. That's just one example from one animal. There are countless species, and not one single one of them is "perfectly" adapted to it's environment, it's merely adapted well enough to survive.

    Nah, Creationism was disproved long ago, even before it was ruled as nothing but a lame attempt to introduce religion into public classrooms.

    The evidence for human evolution from common ancestors with today's bonobos, chimpanzees, gorillas, orantutangs, and going further back, cats, dogs, and fish, is irrefutable. Since that evidence is conclusive in support of the fact of evolution by natural selection, the oddball weirdo religious dogmas to the contrary are disproven.

    How about if those people disprove the established facts of evolution before they try to concoct another off the wall fantasy to replace it?

    Really. Science disproved creationism long long ago. Easy enough to do. The Christians claim their god is a perfect god. Creationism is a Christian construct. The facts of life on planet earth are that living animals are hodgepodges of morphologies originally intended for one purpose being adapted to another over time. Any "designer" that produced "designs" like that is clearly imperfect, blind, and ignorant. Ergo, by the definitions the Christians have of their god, He could not have designed life on earth. Thus, Creationism is false.

    Yeah, then they turn around and argue that they're not talking about a "christian" god.

    Yeah, right. There's no evidence supporting their claim, there's the facts of evolution denying it, they're all disproven.

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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Since it is not a scientific theory, one can't claim that it has been disproved.
    As a scientific theory, no YEC, cannot be claimed to be disproved. But as general idea not to mention specific arguments Creationism makes, it can be argued with utmost certainty that creationism has been disproved.
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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by justone View Post
    I agree with you Tucker. It is really well said. As a rule evolutionists’ thoughts are completely undecipherable, especially when they talk about Gravity and Relativity– and they do like to talk about Gravity and Relativity more than about anything else. Khayembii Communique has been able to produce a rounded sentence here. I have recognized it. This is what exactly they teach in schools, colleges, universities, TV and everywhere. This is why evolutionists make me vomit. They accept no reason, no facts, no appeal to simple humanity which should be in each and every human. I have been thinking – why. I cannot make myself to accept their claims that they are apes as an explanation…. yet. I am a kind of making my own theory to explain, - but it is too long even to start…

    …Communists and especially the bloodiest maniac who is on the avatar of Communique hated Henri Poincaré because Poincaré openly despised their primitive ape like thinking... …It is like no win situation… - on other hand Poincaré never cared to entertain half educated masses as much Einstein did … Now the masses are imposing their primitive thinking… I don’t like proletariat, what can I say, - I don’t. I wouldn’t like to introduce them to Henri Poincaré, one of the most brilliant minds, the first one to present modern principle of relativity and Lorentz transformations to the learned public, - I have no intention to humiliate one of the greatest by such a comical intruduction. Let’s them keep on doing it singlehandedly to relieve themselves from their monkey urges once in a while.

    I would introduce them to Einstein, because Einstein wouldn’t mind, but I am afraid they wouldn’t ever listen to anything he says if they don’t like it if it does not meet their blind beliefs. It does not matter to them that Einstein – personally, by himself, straight forward and clear in simple sentences in Theory of relativity itself, - published and available, that Einstein has been always insisting and explaining that relativity DOES CONFIRM to laws and theories of Newton. Because he was one of the scientists who followed the rules of science (one of the last scientists?). He knew he couldn’t sell HIS relativity, his theory couldn’t even have any creditability as a scientific if it could be suspected in disproving or abolishing another theory made in accordance with the rules of science, - when the rule 4 says that theories made in accordance with the rules of science do net get disproved or abolished or dismissed. Einstein knew the rules and followed the rules…. in difference from evolutionists.

    It is sad to see how much damage has been done to science to by evolutionists – just in order to make fantasies of evolution look scientific; how much of damage has been done to some human brains… I still think they are not apes among us.
    More accurately, Einstein said that Relativity "Quantitatively... made little modification in Newton's theory, but qualitatively a deep-seated one."

    And that Relativity "may be conceived as an organic development of Newton's thought."

    I agree that it was an advancement of Newton's work. It didn't demolish them as was said (to clarify: when I said "well said", I was referring to the point that was being made about the presumption of truth that people have regarding evolution. The presumption should be that the theory is falsifiable. I was not referring to the irrelevant detail regarding Einstein and Newton because, well, it's accuracy was irrelevant. The point was still clear regardless of the accuracy of that detail. And the point is that nothing should be regarded as "truth" while knowledge is still incomplete)

    As far as Poincare goes, I, too, am a huge fan of his work. He is well-known to mathematicians and physicists, but he deserves far more recognition than he gets in general discussion when discussing the most brilliant minds of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, especially when discussing relativity.

    But of course, all of this is fairly irrelevant in the discussion of evolution. The point that was beng made and affirmed as a good one by me was that we shouldn't assume that evolution is written-in-stone "fact". Nor should it be assumed to be written-in-stone "fantasy".

    It should be viewed as a scientific theory and, thus, it should be considered falsifiable. As it stands, it may or it may not be accurate.

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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Oh, sure we can....
    Nah, Creationism was disproved long ago
    Science disproved creationism long long ago. Easy enough to do.
    Odd... I have asked for this proof, and you have supplied none.
    Why is that?

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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Really. Science disproved creationism long long ago. Easy enough to do. The Christians claim their god is a perfect god. Creationism is a Christian construct. The facts of life on planet earth are that living animals are hodgepodges of morphologies originally intended for one purpose being adapted to another over time. Any "designer" that produced "designs" like that is clearly imperfect, blind, and ignorant. Ergo, by the definitions the Christians have of their god, He could not have designed life on earth. Thus, Creationism is false.
    Your logic, just so you know, is flawed.

    Regardless of God's perfection, the general teaching in most religions about god is that he is omnipotent, and can do as he damn well pleases, and so he could easily have designed life on earth with all the "imperfections" you cite.

    Additionally, your own language is indicative of a creator: "morphologies originally intended for one purpose....." Intent and purpose are constructs of the mind, and of the will--they are constructs of sentience. If there is no creator, no sentience, there can be neither intent nor purpose.

    Finally, your imperfections argument is suspect because it takes each species in isolation. Those imperfections could quite easily be suboptimizations of the discrete parts necessary to optimize the larger system and ecology.

    Creationism is not proved, not at all. Neither has it been disproved--and certainly not by the argument you have provided.

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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Regardless of God's perfection, the general teaching in most religions about god is that he is omnipotent, and can do as he damn well pleases, and so he could easily have designed life on earth with all the "imperfections" you cite.
    One of the cool things about being powerful enough to do anything is the power to defy logic.

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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    One of the cool things about being powerful enough to do anything is the power to defy logic.
    You don't "defy" logic. One's reasoning may be illogical, but, as logic is a quality of reason only, there is nothing against to be defiant.

    Also, given that humans themselves are rarely logical, it's rather presumptuous to demand the same of an all-powerful God.

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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    You don't "defy" logic. One's reasoning may be illogical, but, as logic is a quality of reason only, there is nothing against to be defiant.
    No... I meant in terms of one of the usual logical traps regarding God:
    If God is all powerful, can he make a rock too large for Him to lift?

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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Of course we didn't evolve from apes, man and apes evolved from a separate common ancestor.

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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    No... I meant in terms of one of the usual logical traps regarding God:
    If God is all powerful, can he make a rock too large for Him to lift?
    I think God could life 2 rocks too large! With mind powers....
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