View Poll Results: Did we evolve from Apes?

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  • Yes, we evolved from Apes.

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  • No, we have not evolved in any shape or form, we are the same biological beings we have always been.

    26 19.55%
  • Yes, we did evolve, but i do not think we evolved from Apes.

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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    I wouldn't call it flawed at all. They don't have a fossil for every species that ever existed, but I would regard that as an irrational expectation.
    Can we explain everything right now? Can we justify and prove evolution without a bit of speculation?

    No. Therefore it is flawed.

    What do you mean that no laws are absolute, the laws of physics certainly are.
    I suggest you check the status of that in the context of a black hole. Singularities render such normally absolute laws no longer absolute.

    There are many absolutes and axioms in science and logic.
    See above.
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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Looks very scientific. Personally I think they should give up the whole tree of life nonsense, which many have, and just quit trying for juvenile images to explain a complex and multifaceted process.
    Most images we use to explain the universe are juvenile and fail to accurately portray reality. I can think of any number of examples...



    or this....



    or this....



    Reducing such complex realities to fairly simplistic images is almost a requirement for human understanding.


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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Not only did we evolve from apes...we currently are apes .. and our children will be apes... as will their children. Denial of this simple fact is nothing more than a superiority complex.
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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Can we explain everything right now? Can we justify and prove evolution without a bit of speculation?

    No. Therefore it is flawed.



    I suggest you check the status of that in the context of a black hole. Singularities render such normally absolute laws no longer absolute.



    See above.

    Wherever science disproves the myths of religion there will be speculation. It is the only reason evolution is cast in doubt and only in the eyes of the faithful.

    I could literally present material supporting evolution non stop for a year without repeats. All this evidence would support evolution and you could not bring forth an evidence to the contrary. (YES I SAID THAT DEFINITIVELY )

    But we all know this debate has nothing to do with science. It's a bold face lie that we are expected to swallow out of courtesy to different ideas. However, I'm starting to see an unexpected reaping of reward for this sham. Where there is a group of people still wavering on the "you can not disprove it" tactic of theists, they are beginning to see the underhanded methods used to promote creationism and they are equating the two. Where you can hide a deity in the gaps of human knowledge , you can't hide mysticism and "we can't ever really know" over human evolution. Too much has been gathered for anyone to doubt evolution if you explore the tip of the iceberg .

    At the risk of being labeled an ad hominem conclusion, it is apparent that anti-evolution arguments are presented by people who are either stupid, ignorant, deliberately misleading , or religiously motivated. Most probably a combination of any on the list. Think about it, for a sec. Just on this forum alone. Are there any who argue against evolution and also see uncertainty in religion? Are there any anti-evolutionists who don't turn to religion to base their debates?

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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    I could literally present material supporting evolution non stop for a year without repeats. All this evidence would support evolution and you could not bring forth an evidence to the contrary. (YES I SAID THAT DEFINITIVELY )
    Scientific theories are not verifiable; they are only falsifiable. More evidence we have about our theories being "correct" does not verify them to be true. Newton's iron laws, for example, were "verified" for hundreds of years until Einstein came along and singlehandedly demolished them with Relativity.

    However, I'm not siding with the creationists. I just think it's incredibly egotistical and dangerous to assume that what we know is actually truth. All we know are our best explanations of how things are, and we must accept the fact that due to the limited nature of our knowledge, chances are that our explanations are ultimately wrong and will in the future be falsified and revised in light of new evidence. It is absolutely necessary to accept this to move forward in our understanding of the universe.

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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Scientific theories are not verifiable; they are only falsifiable. More evidence we have about our theories being "correct" does not verify them to be true. Newton's iron laws, for example, were "verified" for hundreds of years until Einstein came along and singlehandedly demolished them with Relativity.

    However, I'm not siding with the creationists. I just think it's incredibly egotistical and dangerous to assume that what we know is actually truth. All we know are our best explanations of how things are, and we must accept the fact that due to the limited nature of our knowledge, chances are that our explanations are ultimately wrong and will in the future be falsified and revised in light of new evidence. It is absolutely necessary to accept this to move forward in our understanding of the universe.
    Well said. All scientific thought should be approached with the presumption that it is potentially falsifiable or else growth will not be achieved.

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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Things evolved, we know it. Evolution takes place, and we know it does. Things are not static, and we know this as well. There's lots of data showing that things have evolved. Man most likely shares an ancestor with apes, it seems rather logical and in the end Man does sometimes act very primate like.
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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Scientific theories are not verifiable; they are only falsifiable. More evidence we have about our theories being "correct" does not verify them to be true. Newton's iron laws, for example, were "verified" for hundreds of years until Einstein came along and singlehandedly demolished them with Relativity.

    However, I'm not siding with the creationists. I just think it's incredibly egotistical and dangerous to assume that what we know is actually truth. All we know are our best explanations of how things are, and we must accept the fact that due to the limited nature of our knowledge, chances are that our explanations are ultimately wrong and will in the future be falsified and revised in light of new evidence. It is absolutely necessary to accept this to move forward in our understanding of the universe.
    While I don't disagree with your post here... I'm a little confused by the context in which is was posted... that being an argument that evolution is basically a fact.

    You aren't suggesting that evolution is a theory, are you?

    Natural selection is a theory. Relativity is a theory.

    Gravity is not a theory. It's an observed phenomenon. We have various theories which attempt to explain the fact that gravity is observed in the universe. Similarly, we have various theories to explain the fact that evolution is observed on earth.

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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    While I don't disagree with your post here... I'm a little confused by the context in which is was posted... that being an argument that evolution is basically a fact.

    You aren't suggesting that evolution is a theory, are you?

    Natural selection is a theory. Relativity is a theory.

    Gravity is not a theory. It's an observed phenomenon. We have various theories which attempt to explain the fact that gravity is observed in the universe. Similarly, we have various theories to explain the fact that evolution is observed on earth.

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    Evolution is a factual well observed, well documented phenomenon.

    The theory of evolution which explains that not only does evolution occur but that all life forms, every organism, all stem from a single common ancestor - a single starting point if you will is where you get more into debatable speculation. Yes, from what we know we think that is the best explanation however at this time it is not an explanation that is above criticism, revision, and there is far more work to be done before it becomes non-debatable.

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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    While I don't disagree with your post here... I'm a little confused by the context in which is was posted... that being an argument that evolution is basically a fact.

    You aren't suggesting that evolution is a theory, are you?
    The act of evolution is not a theory. The scientific theory of evolution is. The difference is that evolution is an observable phenomenon, whereas the scientific theory of evolution is the conclusion based on scientific observation and is supported empirically. Evolution is the act, whereas the scientific theory of evolution is the attempt at explaining, why, how and when the act occurs.

    Gravity is not a theory. It's an observed phenomenon.
    Yes but Newton's Laws of Motion are not.

    Basically, Grateful, I agree with you. My post had more to do with people's conceptions of scientific theory than it did evolution.

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