View Poll Results: Did we evolve from Apes?

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  • Yes, we evolved from Apes.

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  • No, we have not evolved in any shape or form, we are the same biological beings we have always been.

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  • Yes, we did evolve, but i do not think we evolved from Apes.

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Thread: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Nobel prize-winner Dr. Richard Smalley Professor of Chemistry and a Professor of Physics and Astronomy had this to say: "Evolution has just been dealt its death blow. After reading Origins of Life, with my background in chemistry and physics, it is clear evolution could not have occurred."“The burden of proof is on those who don't believe that "'Genesis' was right, and there was a creation, and that Creator is still involved. ‘’ .
    This quote is probably taken out of context. There isn't much on this guy to google for a better reference than what you've posted. But still he's explicitly talking in terms of evolution vs. genesis. He clearly does not believe that evolution is the explanation for our origins or that all organisms stem from a single organism at some point in history. However that's not the same as saying there has never been any evolution of any species at any time ever.

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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post

    There comes a point when it's far far simpler to accept the obvious, that of a single life-bush and wait for falsifying evidence to be uncovered than it is to postulate the convergence of competing incompatible life structures into the unified whole observed today.

    All life uses DNA.
    All life uses RNA.
    All life uses an outer cell membrane.
    All multicellular life is eukaryotic.
    All life can be shown to evolve from simpler common ancestors, and where possible, those ancestors can also be shown to evolve from even earlier common parent species.
    I somewhat agree but when doing so you still need to understand there was a puzzle to which we filled in some missing blanks and though we're probably right we could still be wrong and thus the theory shouldn't be tossed about as fact while blasting folks for not buying it whole hog. It's the best explanation out there currently and that is worth something. However there's room for intelligent criticism and skepticism still.

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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    I don't believe intelligent design is off the table.

    I'm absolutely certain none of the folks you mention believe there is NO evolution. That would be tardy. Again, one of the folks you mentioned basically makes the same tard accusation.
    [quote =Originally Posted by justone ]
    Nobel prize-winner Dr. Richard Smalley Professor of Chemistry and a Professor of Physics and Astronomy had this to say: "Evolution has just been dealt its death blow. After reading Origins of Life, with my background in chemistry and physics, it is clear evolution could not have occurred."“The burden of proof is on those who don't believe that "'Genesis' was right, and there was a creation, and that Creator is still involved. ‘’ . [/quote]
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    It's very clear that there is evolution, and it's important. Evolution is here, and intelligent design is here, and they're both consistent.

    People who want to exclude evolution on the basis of intelligent design, I guess they're saying, "Everything is made at once and then nothing can change." But there's no reason the universe can't allow for changes and plan for them, too. People who are anti-evolution are working very hard for some excuse to be against it. I think that whole argument is a stupid one

    Nobel Prize winner Charles Townes on evolution and "intelligent design"

    Townes is saying evolution and intelligent design are NOT mutually exclusive. It is stupid to say "evolution" does not exist. It does. We know it does. You really have to put on blinders to say it negate it entirely on every single level.

    I didn't look up your other folks but I'd bet money they say similar things. There really aren't any legitimate scientists disputing that evolution happens.


    Quote Originally Posted by Originally Posted by justone
    What is about the rest of the Nobel prize winners - are they tards? and the rest of the questions to your beLiefs. For instance I can expalin step by step why I used to have the same beliefs as you and Nobel Prize winner Charles Townes ( provided that you believe in ID). Since you believe in ID like Charles Townes "He's a perfect example of someone like me" - then should they teach ID like evolution in schools? .


    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
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    Sure I do I used to have the same belief as Charles Townes, before I tried to read “Origins” ‘’After reading Origins of Life, with my background in chemistry and physics, it is clear evolution could not have occurred."“- Smalley’ After reading Origins of Life and talking to evolutionists I came to a different conviction than Smalley’ and Charles Townes .



    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    However that said you can believe in evolution without believing the theory of evolution which states we all share a single common source. That all living organisms ultimately all trace back to one single first organism. Questioning that claim, being skeptical of that assertion, etc is not stupid. Saying there is NO evolution is entirely stupid.
    There is no evolution, none, zero, zilch, no micro, no macro, no mini, no bikini, unless you explain to me the difference between mentality of an imbecile looking at phones which do exist and Darwin looking at fossils which do not exist, and answer the rest of the questions, instead of concentrating on a personal belief of Charles Townes… or Smalley


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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    I don't believe intelligent design is off the table.
    If the design is so intelligent, how do you explain politicians?

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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by justone View Post
    [quote =Originally Posted by justone ]
    Nobel prize-winner Dr. Richard Smalley Professor of Chemistry and a Professor of Physics and Astronomy had this to say: "Evolution has just been dealt its death blow. After reading Origins of Life, with my background in chemistry and physics, it is clear evolution could not have occurred."“The burden of proof is on those who don't believe that "'Genesis' was right, and there was a creation, and that Creator is still involved. ‘’ .
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    Sure I do I used to have the same belief as Charles Townes, before I tried to read “Origins” ‘’After reading Origins of Life, with my background in chemistry and physics, it is clear evolution could not have occurred."“- Smalley’ After reading Origins of Life and talking to evolutionists I came to a different conviction than Smalley’ and Charles Townes .




    There is no evolution, none, zero, zilch, no micro, no macro, no mini, no bikini, unless you explain to me the difference between mentality of an imbecile looking at phones which do exist and Darwin looking at fossils which do not exist, and answer the rest of the questions, instead of concentrating on a personal belief of Charles Townes… or Smalley


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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    This quote is probably taken out of context. There isn't much on this guy to google for a better reference than what you've posted. But still he's explicitly talking in terms of evolution vs. genesis. He clearly does not believe that evolution is the explanation for our origins or that all organisms stem from a single organism at some point in history. However that's not the same as saying there has never been any evolution of any species at any time ever.
    : "Evolution has just been dealt its death blow. After reading Origins of Life, with my background in chemistry and physics, it is clear evolution could not have occurred."“The burden of proof is on those who don't believe that "'Genesis' was right, and there was a creation, and that Creator is still involved. ‘’

    How much more clear can it be said,... when googling you cannot find anything that confirms your belief, hope in probability

    I understand you cannot answer my other questions which have no dependancy on this or that guy.

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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    If the design is so intelligent, how do you explain politicians?
    The only type of intelligent design I would ever be able to seriously consider is that we were genetically modified and manipulated. In which case it most certainly isn't a divine design. More like sloppy science and lab hijinks. There would be no overly high expectations in such a case.

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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by justone View Post
    : "Evolution has just been dealt its death blow. After reading Origins of Life, with my background in chemistry and physics, it is clear evolution could not have occurred."“The burden of proof is on those who don't believe that "'Genesis' was right, and there was a creation, and that Creator is still involved. ‘’

    How much more clear can it be said,... when googling you cannot find anything that confirms your belief, hope in probability

    I understand you cannot answer my other questions which have no dependancy on this or that guy.
    He's saying evolution as an answer to our origins is -in his mind- debunked. He is saying in the answer to how we came about it is clear to him that evolution did not occur.

    This is not the same as negating all evolution. Do you understand that? As to your other questions truthfully I'm not sure I always understand what you're saying/asking.

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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    I don't believe intelligent design is off the table.
    It's never really been on the table. Intelligent design was a term invented by creationists after the Supreme Court ruling Edwards v. Aguillard in 1987, which barred the teaching of creationism in the public schools.

    While you can certainly list a small number of creditable scientists who claim to support ID, that does not mean it is now or ever has been 'on the table.'

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    Re: Evolution: Did we really evolve from Apes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    It's never really been on the table. Intelligent design was a term invented by creationists after the Supreme Court ruling Edwards v. Aguillard in 1987, which barred the teaching of creationism in the public schools.

    While you can certainly list a small number of creditable scientists who claim to support ID, that does not mean it is now or ever has been 'on the table.'
    I accept that. I was speaking as in "my table." I personally have not closed the book on intelligent design. And while many creationists have adopted the general idea nerds have long played with it affectionately while sitting around drunk discussing the possibility of ancient astronauts creating humans as slaves!

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