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    Re: Could you justify secession?

    There are definitely circumstances where it would be justifiable...mostly involving widespread abuses of human rights, a federal government that routinely favored one region of the country over others to a large degree, or complete cultural alienation from the rest of the country. None of those situations seem likely to occur in the US anytime soon.

    As for the legality of secession...I've always thought that that question is kind of meaningless. By definition, if a part of the country wishes to secede, it no longer wants to recognize the legal authority of the federal government, so whether or not secession is "legal" is a moot point. Let's not forget that the American Revolution was illegal, and that our Constitution was passed in a very unconstitutional manner.
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    Re: Could you justify secession?

    In my opinion, secession should be illegal, unless the seceding state/area once had it's own independent country that was forcefully incorporated into the conquering country.

    Since most of the States in the Union haven't been independent before, if they were independent, they weren't independent for long, so in my view, none of the states can justify their secession.

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    Re: Could you justify secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Personally, I'm of the mind that if the residents of the State feel sufficiently alienated from the government in Washington DC and the residents of other States-- including their neighbors-- then they should seek to secede.
    Alternately, if the support for secession across the several states is sufficient, the Union could simply be dissolved.

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    Re: Could you justify secession?

    States do have the right to secede if they want. I don't know if conditions now really warrant it currently, but should the government act against the rights and liberties of the People for too long, we can leave the Republic or scrap the federal government. Either or. If a State feels it isn't properly represented or that the federal government has for a long time worked against the State's sovereignty and against its People, then it has the right to secede from the government. They'll have to fight though, no way the federal government would let some of its States just go.
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    Re: Could you justify secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Alternately, if the support for secession across the several states is sufficient, the Union could simply be dissolved.
    Considering this "Red State, Blue State" nonsense and where they're all located... well, I think if the Union were to split again there would be far more than a single fault line. But there's no doubt in my mind that such a dissolution could never occur without civil war.

    Wouldn't mind seeing it myself, though I'd probably have to relocate.

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    Re: Could you justify secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Considering this "Red State, Blue State" nonsense and where they're all located... well, I think if the Union were to split again there would be far more than a single fault line. But there's no doubt in my mind that such a dissolution could never occur without civil war.

    Wouldn't mind seeing it myself, though I'd probably have to relocate.
    I am not so sure that dissolution would necessarily lead to another civil war -- but suffice it to say that the dissolution of the US and/or another US civil war would have huge ramifications for the world, and would likely be the most significant event of whatever century that sees it.

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    Re: Could you justify secession?

    Yes, I can justify secession today.

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    Re: Could you justify secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by George VI View Post
    Since most of the States in the Union haven't been independent before, if they were independent, they weren't independent for long, so in my view, none of the states can justify their secession.
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    Re: Could you justify secession?

    Secession certainly could be justified, if the federal government got bad enough. However, I don't think that secession would be justified now or at any time in American history. Furthermore, secession would be a foolish plan for any state. Even California relies too much on other states to truly function independently.

    The legality of secession is entirely irrelevant. Even if it is legal, there is nothing that prevents the U.S. from invading, conquering and annexing the now foreign government. If the feds decide to use the military to prevent a state from breaking off, the constitution won't stop it.

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    Re: Could you justify secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Secession certainly could be justified, if the federal government got bad enough. However, I don't think that secession would be justified now or at any time in American history.
    I'd kind of like to know what people think "bad enough" entails, exactly.
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