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    Re: A Leftist is FOR the following list

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    I think he is more arguing against the level of taxes and he is certainly correct, to a degree at leat, unless you think it would be fine for the gov't to confiscate all property without compensation. If you don't believe in that then there is a limit to the taxes you think people have to pay, however high you set it.

    Sure...that's what they all claim, but these people cry about having to pay taxes no matter what the amount is.
    Its the mentality that they shouldn't have to pay anything and magically everything that we have will still be here.

    I could be wrong, but I think our tax rate is below that of many other countries with similar quality of life.
    Personally, I think our tax rate is about right. I don't mind paying taxes because I enjoy the benefits that those taxes allow us to have in this country.
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    Re: A Leftist is FOR the following list

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Paying taxes is part of the responsibility and requirements for living in this Country.
    Only if this suddenly became the People's Republic of China.

    Article 56 of their constitution:
    It is the duty of citizens of the People's Republic of China to pay taxes in accordance with the law.
    The Supreme Court, on the other hand, in Gregory v Helvering, rejected your thesis:
    The legal right of a taxpayer to decrease the amount of what otherwise would be his taxes, or altogether avoid them, by means which the law permits, cannot be doubted.
    Or, as Judge Learned Hand noted, on the US Second Court of Appeals earlier ruling on that same case:
    Anyone may arrange his affairs so that his taxes shall be as low as possible; he is not bound to choose that pattern which best pays the treasury. There is not even a patriotic duty to increase one's taxes. Over and over again the Courts have said that there is nothing sinister in so arranging affairs as to keep taxes as low as possible. Everyone does it, rich and poor alike and all do right, for nobody owes any public duty to pay more than the law demands.
    I want the government small, I want government services few, because I don't want to pay taxes. Anyone who asserts a duty to the contrary is ignorant of the nature of liberty.

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    Re: A Leftist is FOR the following list

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Its the mentality that they shouldn't have to pay anything and magically everything that we have will still be here.
    My mentality is that I don't pay anything and magically parasitical and intrusive government will be gone.

    My mentality is that government is under the best of circumstances a necessary evil, and under all circumstances more evil than necessary.

    Thoreau was rather more artful in his articulation:
    Government is at best but an expedient; but most governments are usually, and all governments are sometimes, inexpedient. The objections which have been brought against a standing army, and they are many and weighty, and deserve to prevail, may also at last be brought against a standing government.

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    Re: A Leftist is FOR the following list

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    My mentality is that I don't pay anything and magically parasitical and intrusive government will be gone.

    My mentality is that government is under the best of circumstances a necessary evil, and under all circumstances more evil than necessary.

    Thoreau was rather more artful in his articulation:
    Face it....you want a free ride in the same way that the stereotypical welfare mom does. You want to enjoy the benefits of living in this country but you don't want to pay for it.

    (interestingly....there is nothing in any of the "Caselaw" that you attempt to cite that says that you are entitled to a free ride).

    This country has become so "me first"/selfish over the years that we have lost sight of the thread that holds this country together.

    Sure...no one is entitled to a free ride, but that includes those who want to keep all of their dollars in their own wallet as much as it applies to those who would seek to bilk the welfare system.
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    Re: A Leftist is FOR the following list

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    1) For Smaller government
    2) For Early reduction of debt
    3) For Small debts and deficits
    4) For Reduction in salaries of Congress members
    5) For Forcing the president to abide to the powers given to the executive office by the COTUS
    6) For Rejecting several of Bush's judge picks because they legislated from the bench (Brown anyone?)
    7) For Non-interventionist government
    8) More Free trade
    9) Responsible taxation
    10) Pro-Elimination of the corporate tax
    11) For Stopping Bush's socialist drug bill
    12) Pro-Elimination of social security
    This list is a republican's wet dream!

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    Re: A Leftist is FOR the following list

    He is attempting to bait zimmer since his bait didn't work in the section of this forum that shall not be named.




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    Re: A Leftist is FOR the following list

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    This list is a republican's wet dream!
    What Republicans are you talking about?

    1) For Smaller government - The GOP has become the party of HUGE government. The GOP consistently attempts for more government involvement in personal affairs, morality, religion.

    2) For Early reduction of debt - That is just hilarious

    3) For Small debts and deficits - see #2
    4) For Reduction in salaries of Congress members -?

    5) For Forcing the president to abide to the powers given to the executive office by the COTUS - HAHAHA....that couldn't be farther from the truth. The GOP sat back for the last decade and allowed the largest usurpation of power in the history of this country.

    6) For Rejecting several of Bush's judge picks because they legislated from the bench (Brown anyone?) - ?

    7) For Non-interventionist government - see above

    8) More Free trade

    9) Responsible taxation - What this means to the GOP is cutting taxes for the wealthiest Americans and making the middle and working classes shoulder more of the burden.

    10) Pro-Elimination of the corporate tax - in other words...more corporate welfare.

    11) For Stopping Bush's socialist drug bill -

    12) Pro-Elimination of social security - Well...you got one right here. The GOP would love to get ride of social security if they thought that they could.
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    Re: A Leftist is FOR the following list

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Obviously a question of semantics. Not interested in playing that game, but I will say this, advocating a policy is not the same as implementing it. Actions speak louder than words.
    And it is the rhetoric of these things from Republicans that has hurt the libertarian/free market/whatever cause.

    The Republicans behind the Reagan Revolution in the 1980's certainly sounded nice; as did the Republicans with the 'Contract with America' in the mid-1990's; as did the Republicans coming in behind Bush in 2000 with talk of no more 'nation-building'.

    Yet, in all instances, the action didn't match the rhetoric and it has created the misconception that the rhetoric and action did match and therefore, aren't worthy of practicing anymore.

    It sucks.
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    Re: A Leftist is FOR the following list

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Face it....you want a free ride in the same way that the stereotypical welfare mom does. You want to enjoy the benefits of living in this country but you don't want to pay for it.
    Face it, you have no clue what you're talking about.

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    Re: A Leftist is FOR the following list

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Face it, you have no clue what you're talking about.
    Au contrar....sometimes people cannot see the truth that is staring them in the face.
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