View Poll Results: Which of these things do you think are true?

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  • The only way to properly use a gun is to kill something with it.

    2 8.00%
  • The only way to use a gun to defend yourself is to kill someone.

    2 8.00%
  • An 'assault weapon' is not capable of firing single shots

    1 4.00%
  • 'Assault weapon' and assault rifle are interchangeable terms

    0 0%
  • 'Assault weapons' are far more powerful than 'standard' weapons.

    5 20.00%
  • 'Assault weapons' are necessarily inaccurate and only suitable for 'spray fire'

    0 0%
  • Penetrating body armor is a Herculean task for a 'standard' firearm

    1 4.00%
  • A cop is better trained, competent, has better judgment and is more stable than an ordinary citizen

    13 52.00%
  • All of the above

    1 4.00%
  • None of the above

    12 48.00%
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    Question for the anti-gun crowd: Which of these things are true?

    Because of the things seen posted on this board, I am quite curious:

    Which of these things do you think are true?

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    -The only way to properly use a gun is to kill something with it.
    -The only way to use a gun to defend yourself is to kill someone.
    -An 'assault weapon' is not capable of firing single shots
    -'Assault weapon' and assault rifle are interchangeable terms
    -'Assault weapons' are far more powerful than 'standard' weapons.
    -'Assault weapons' are necessarily inaccurate and only suitable for 'spray fire'
    -Penetrating body armor is a Herculean task for a 'standard' firearm
    -A policeman is necessarily far better trained, far more competent, has far better judgment and is more emotionally stable than an ordinary citizen
    -All of the above
    -None of the above

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    Re: Question for the anti-gun crowd: Which of these things are true?

    I tried to add a poll, but option 8 was too loing and it failed.
    Please add.
    Multiple Choice, Public poll.

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    Re: Question for the anti-gun crowd: Which of these things are true?

    Moderator's Warning:
    Question for the anti-gun crowd: Which of these things are true?Poll added. I had to alter the language of option #8, slightly...the system will not accept an option with more than 100 characters. If you want it rewritten, let me know.
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    Re: Question for the anti-gun crowd: Which of these things are true?

    The average cop is probably more of all those things than the average citizen, mostly due to the fact that they all go through extensive firearm training while the average citizen doesn't. There's also probably something to the fact that in situations where guns are being used, police officers have a different set of interests than do private citizens.
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    Re: Question for the anti-gun crowd: Which of these things are true?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Moderator's Warning:
    Question for the anti-gun crowd: Which of these things are true?Poll added. I had to alter the language of option #8, slightly...the system will not accept an option with more than 100 characters. If you want it rewritten, let me know.
    That will do. Thanks!

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    Re: Question for the anti-gun crowd: Which of these things are true?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    The average cop is probably more of all those things than the average citizen, mostly due to the fact that they all go through extensive firearm training while the average citizen doesn't. There's also probably something to the fact that in situations where guns are being used, police officers have a different set of interests than do private citizens.
    Oh really?

    Cop sees a robbery going down. Draws firearm and approaches situation with intents of halting it / protecting their fellow citizen.

    Citizen sees a robbery going down. Draws firearm and approaches situation with intents of halting it / protecting their fellow citizen.

    I fail to see a difference?

    I can't speak for the extensive firearm training they go through.. but I can speak of the newspaper reports that come in about a cop shooting at someone 15 times and hitting them twice. Which seems to happen quite a bit. That doesn't make me feel any better about their "training."
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    Re: Question for the anti-gun crowd: Which of these things are true?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    The average cop is probably more of all those things than the average citizen, mostly due to the fact that they all go through extensive firearm training while the average citizen doesn't. There's also probably something to the fact that in situations where guns are being used, police officers have a different set of interests than do private citizens.

    Ummm....I'd have to disagree with you, at least in part.

    I know lots of cops and lots of armed citizens. Many of the armed citizens I know have had more and better training than many of the cops.

    When I was a county cop, we had four AD's (accidental discharges) in the locker room over three months. No one was injured. Most were attributed to racking the slide with the finger inside the trigger guard on a type of auto pistol with a light trigger. Now, that is just a newbie error... finger off the trigger until ready to fire is basic. Embarassing. At least they got the "pointed in a safe direction" part right. Our Captain was not pleased.

    The average cop does only that training that is required of him by the department. Many of the private armed citizens I know have sought out at least some advanced training with world-class instructors. Is this typical? I don't know, but its been my experience.

    As for being more stable... naaaaaah, not really. Divorce is so common its practically a stereotype. Domestic abuse ditto, often covered up (seen that with my own eyes more than once.)

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not busting on cops; I used to be one and the majority are good folks. My point is they are like human beings in general; their character and quality comes in many degrees and flavors.

    Your last sentence is dead-on correct. Private armed citizens use guns for self-defense, or defense of others. Cops do that but also have to use weapons for effecting arrests in many cases. Where citizens usually try to avoid trouble when they can, cops are obliged to seek it out and involve themselves, a different dynamic. Dynamic entry (usually SWAT) is a whole 'nuther thing too. Not to mention cops usually have backup present or on the way when the SHTF.


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    Re: Question for the anti-gun crowd: Which of these things are true?

    Quote Originally Posted by stevenb View Post
    Oh really?

    Cop sees a robbery going down. Draws firearm and approaches situation with intents of halting it / protecting their fellow citizen.

    Citizen sees a robbery going down. Draws firearm and approaches situation with intents of halting it / protecting their fellow citizen.

    I fail to see a difference?
    While both may share that interest, the cop is also interested in following standard police procedure in order to keep his job and ensure that should a shooting be necessary, it will comply with the rules and regulations of his job. These rules are not always in alignment with what a civilian might do.

    I can't speak for the extensive firearm training they go through.. but I can speak of the newspaper reports that come in about a cop shooting at someone 15 times and hitting them twice. Which seems to happen quite a bit. That doesn't make me feel any better about their "training."
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    Re: Question for the anti-gun crowd: Which of these things are true?

    Quote Originally Posted by stevenb View Post
    I can't speak for the extensive firearm training they go through.. but I can speak of the newspaper reports that come in about a cop shooting at someone 15 times and hitting them twice.
    When was the last time you heard of this happening with a CCW holder?

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    Re: Question for the anti-gun crowd: Which of these things are true?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Ummm....I'd have to disagree with you, at least in part.
    To clarify, I was referring to the "average citizen" who probably doesn't have a gun at all or has only had the most minimal training. I don't doubt that there are many private citizens who are far more responsible with their weapons than many cops.
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