View Poll Results: Which of these things do you think are true?

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  • The only way to properly use a gun is to kill something with it.

    2 8.00%
  • The only way to use a gun to defend yourself is to kill someone.

    2 8.00%
  • An 'assault weapon' is not capable of firing single shots

    1 4.00%
  • 'Assault weapon' and assault rifle are interchangeable terms

    0 0%
  • 'Assault weapons' are far more powerful than 'standard' weapons.

    5 20.00%
  • 'Assault weapons' are necessarily inaccurate and only suitable for 'spray fire'

    0 0%
  • Penetrating body armor is a Herculean task for a 'standard' firearm

    1 4.00%
  • A cop is better trained, competent, has better judgment and is more stable than an ordinary citizen

    13 52.00%
  • All of the above

    1 4.00%
  • None of the above

    12 48.00%
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Thread: Question for the anti-gun crowd: Which of these things are true?

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    Re: Question for the anti-gun crowd: Which of these things are true?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    To clarify, I was referring to the "average citizen" who probably doesn't have a gun at all or has only had the most minimal training. I don't doubt that there are many private citizens who are far more responsible with their weapons than many cops.

    I see your point.

    There is certainly at least one advantage many cops have, that repeated exposure to high-stress and/or threatening situations makes it easier to keep your head in such scenarios, than those lacking such experience.

    On reflection though, it would seem that comparing cops to the average unarmed citizen is kind of apples-and-oranges, don't you think? At least, since guns and things related to guns are the topic of comparison.

    To illustrate the point, if I were comparing the driving skills of an average cop to those of an average citizen, a citizen who didn't own a car or have a driver's license probably wouldn't be a good comparison, yes?

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    Re: Question for the anti-gun crowd: Which of these things are true?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I see your point.

    There is certainly at least one advantage many cops have, that repeated exposure to high-stress and/or threatening situations makes it easier to keep your head in such scenarios, than those lacking such experience.

    On reflection though, it would seem that comparing cops to the average unarmed citizen is kind of apples-and-oranges, don't you think? At least, since guns and things related to guns are the topic of comparison.

    To illustrate the point, if I were comparing the driving skills of an average cop to those of an average citizen, a citizen who didn't own a car or have a driver's license probably wouldn't be a good comparison, yes?

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    I agree, but I was just going off of this from the poll:

    A cop is better trained, competent, has better judgment and is more stable than an ordinary citizen
    If it said "A cop is better trained, competent, has better judgment and is more stable than an ordinary citizen who has received similar-quality training, is of equivalent intelligence and judgment, and has passed similar mental screenings," then I would agree. I don't think there's anything intrinsic to cops that make them better at those things.
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    Re: Question for the anti-gun crowd: Which of these things are true?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    I agree, but I was just going off of this from the poll:
    The question was supposed to be:

    -A policeman is necessarily far better trained, far more competent, has far better judgment and is more emotionally stable than an ordinary citizen

    But that was too long; CC edited it down to what it was.

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    Re: Question for the anti-gun crowd: Which of these things are true?

    I voted for #5 and #8.

    I'm not necessarily anti-gun, and I'm not entirely sure about voting for #5. I think it depends on what is considered a 'standard weapon.' For example, an M4 can do far more damage than a Glock right?

    For #8, that's common sense, officers and specially trained for their jobs.


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    Re: Question for the anti-gun crowd: Which of these things are true?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    When was the last time you heard of this happening with a CCW holder?
    I can't, cause most CCW holders know that if they miss and hurt someone else.. the badge isn't going to protect them.

    One could make a logical conclusion that your average ccw holder is more cautious in situations where they'll have to shoot compared to a police officer... who's badge might be on the line.. but not their freedom.
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    Re: Question for the anti-gun crowd: Which of these things are true?

    Quote Originally Posted by stevenb View Post
    I can't, cause most CCW holders know that if they miss and hurt someone else.. the badge isn't going to protect them.

    One could make a logical conclusion that your average ccw holder is more cautious in situations where they'll have to shoot compared to a police officer... who's badge might be on the line.. but not their freedom.
    You could conclude that, but I'm unaware of anything that would support that conclusion.

    And why would you imply that police officers don't face legal repercussions for improperly using their weapons?
    People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

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    Re: Question for the anti-gun crowd: Which of these things are true?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    I'm not necessarily anti-gun, and I'm not entirely sure about voting for #5. I think it depends on what is considered a 'standard weapon.' For example, an M4 can do far more damage than a Glock right?
    Yes, but only because an M4 uses a rifle round while a glock is a handgun and uses lighter ammunition, an M4 will not do nearly as much damage as a standard deer rifle though.
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    Re: Question for the anti-gun crowd: Which of these things are true?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    You could conclude that, but I'm unaware of anything that would support that conclusion.

    And why would you imply that police officers don't face legal repercussions for improperly using their weapons?
    A specific case comes to mind where a police officer tried shooting a python in a tree... missed, and hit someone's kid in the head down the block.

    Not so much as even a formal investigation brought against him to start with... it wasn't until people started rallying and complaining that they did anything to him.. and last I heard there was no official punishment.
    George Washington didn't use his freedom of speech to win the war with Britain... He shot them.

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    Re: Question for the anti-gun crowd: Which of these things are true?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    -A policeman is necessarily far better trained, far more competent, has far better judgment and is more emotionally stable than an ordinary citizen
    Had to laugh when I saw this option. A trained competent stable policeman is a contradiction in terms.

    Badge + gun == dangerous person not to be trusted.

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    Re: Question for the anti-gun crowd: Which of these things are true?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    And why would you imply that police officers don't face legal repercussions for improperly using their weapons?
    Why would you imply anything but?

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