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    Re: Conservative Revolution?

    yes the original revolution was a fight for self determination and limited local goverment.

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    Re: Conservative Revolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    "Other". You're assuming that modern definitions for conservative and liberal existed back then.
    Well, let's apply those modern definitions and see what we get.

    The modern definition of "conservative" runs something like this:

    Supporting personal self-reliance, distrustful of government power, values the freedom of the individual, respects the private ownership of property.

    The modern definition of "liberal" runs something like this:

    The disasters of life are always caused by someone else, in particular, someonne else who has more money, and people who have money are obligated to pay it to the government to support those who won't work or who suffered some of those personal disaster things. Also, modern liberals are all for freedom of speech, so long as the speech doesn't oppose their ideas, and they just love the attraction of huge monolithic government. That last is probably some Freudian thing they have, but that they have it can't be refuted.

    What was the American Revolution about? Rejecting overweening government power and establishing a country of free, independent people.

    Clearly the American Revolution was more "conservative" than anything else. Either that, or today's conservatives learned the lessons the Revolution taught and try to live by them, unlike the modern American liberal.

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    Re: Conservative Revolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    The modern definition of "conservative" runs something like this:

    Supporting personal self-reliance, distrustful of government power, values the freedom of the individual, respects the private ownership of property.
    I thought modern day conservatism was a big government, big spending, big deficit, big war, big brother philosophy. Kinda like modern day liberalism. Which are both facets of fascism.
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    Re: Conservative Revolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    They were fighting against unfair taxation, desire for less of a centralized government control, strong rights on individuals to protect themselves, more self determination and less government decree, etc.
    In other words, nothing like "conservatives" of today.
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    Re: Conservative Revolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Well, let's apply those modern definitions and see what we get.

    The modern definition of "conservative" runs something like this:

    Supporting personal self-reliance, distrustful of government power, values the freedom of the individual, respects the private ownership of property.

    The modern definition of "liberal" runs something like this:

    The disasters of life are always caused by someone else, in particular, someonne else who has more money, and people who have money are obligated to pay it to the government to support those who won't work or who suffered some of those personal disaster things. Also, modern liberals are all for freedom of speech, so long as the speech doesn't oppose their ideas, and they just love the attraction of huge monolithic government. That last is probably some Freudian thing they have, but that they have it can't be refuted.

    What was the American Revolution about? Rejecting overweening government power and establishing a country of free, independent people.

    Clearly the American Revolution was more "conservative" than anything else. Either that, or today's conservatives learned the lessons the Revolution taught and try to live by them, unlike the modern American liberal.
    You should really switch your label from independent to conservative.
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    Re: Conservative Revolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I thought modern day conservatism was a big government, big spending, big deficit, big war, big brother philosophy. Kinda like modern day liberalism. Which are both facets of fascism.
    Not really. You're thinking about the Republican Party, which hasn't been conservative since Reagan left office.

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    Re: Conservative Revolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You should really switch your label from independent to conservative.
    Why? I don't need you to define what my political world view is. I don't even need you to pick which buttons to push.

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    Re: Conservative Revolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Not really. You're thinking about the Republican Party, which hasn't been conservative since Reagan left office.
    And you're thinking of 9 liberals in some room in Berkley. Who aren't representative of the millions of liberals who live elsewhere.
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    Re: Conservative Revolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I thought modern day conservatism was a big government, big spending, big deficit, big war, big brother philosophy. Kinda like modern day liberalism. Which are both facets of fascism.
    you realize on the modern american scale of liberal and conservative ideologies, libertarianism falls within conservatism. I think you're talking about modern day Republicanism in regards to those that currently have power.
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    Re: Conservative Revolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    you realize on the modern american scale of liberal and conservative ideologies, libertarianism falls within conservatism. I think you're talking about modern day Republicanism in regards to those that currently have power.
    Libertarianism is not a subset of conservatism. It's classical liberalism. Even if we kinda go to the Reagan style conservatism; there are many things which are similar between that and libertarianism. But libertarianism expands upon that as well, especially into social construct and what is proper use of government. Before the GOP imploded and became a bastion for neo-conservative fascism I remember people talking about how they were fiscally conservative and socially liberal. That's more in line with libertarianism. Libertarianism doesn't fall within conservatism, conservatism adopted some of the tenets of classical liberalism. But that style of conservatism doesn't exist in the main parties or government anymore. "Conservatives" the likes of Hannity and such are as I have described them. The Republocrats in general have embraced forms of fascism, and the Republicans specifically have been able to adopt well fascist propaganda.
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