View Poll Results: What do you think about putting stricter regulations on bullets rather than guns?

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Thread: Bullet Control

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    Re: Bullet Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    Not so sure if there is a poll on this already.

    For pro-gun rights and anti-gun rights people, what do you think about controlling the distribution or the sale of bullets instead of guns?

    I don't really admire the 2nd Amendment, in my opinion, it's too unclear. I would vote for gun restrictions anywhere in the U.S. However, I have been thinking that maybe bullet control is better than actual firearm control.

    Please explain your decision.
    Just another "shoehorn" strategy of slowly but surely reducing gun rights!!!

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    Re: Bullet Control

    I cannot see that this is nothing more than a tax on bullets. It is unconstitutional to have a tax specifically on books. It would therefore follow that it would be unconstitutional to have a tax on bullets. Meaning, if the enumerated rights in the Bill of Rights are considered equal to one another, then any restriction that could be placed on one an equal restriction could be placed on another. Thus you want to limit guns or its ammo you are also advocating a restriction to the First Amendment's Rights or free exercise of religion, the right of free speech or the Press, and the ability for us to petition the government for Grievances.

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    Re: Bullet Control

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFcVwDw4YLE"]YouTube - Gun control or Bullet Control - Chris Rock[/ame]
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    Re: Bullet Control

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    The Second Amendment is crystal clear to any who can read the English language. The right to keep and bear arms "shall not be infringed." In any age, the meaning of that phrase is unequivocal--government is denied the power to regulate weapons.
    I love how you leave out the first part of the text of the second amendment "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state" and then argue that it is "crystal clear".

    While I don't favor gun control, just like much of the Constitution, the 2nd Amendment is subject to interpretation and is certainly not as "crystal clear" as you would claim.

    Also, the types of weapons available today could not have been contemplated in any shape/form by the original writers of the Constitution so the types of "arms" they referred to is also subject to interpretation.
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    Re: Bullet Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    Ok, now that many people have thrown some stones at me, let me pick them up and set them aside.

    I think we are slowly reaching the tipping point in gun violence. Something has to be done. Am I the one to decide? No. I don't want to be.

    I don't think we should ban bullets or or guns, but I think increasing the prices on bullets rather than guns would work better. Now, I am not offering this suggestion as a way to "sneakily bypass the 2nd amendment," but more as a way to stop gun violence from going out of control.

    That's just what I think. I have a right to an opinion too.
    If you think "something has to be done" why not look at the way we glorify violence in video games and do something about that, instead?

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    Re: Bullet Control

    Sorry but I had to post this.


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    Re: Bullet Control

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I love how you leave out the first part of the text of the second amendment "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state" and then argue that it is "crystal clear".

    While I don't favor gun control, just like much of the Constitution, the 2nd Amendment is subject to interpretation and is certainly not as "crystal clear" as you would claim.

    Also, the types of weapons available today could not have been contemplated in any shape/form by the original writers of the Constitution so the types of "arms" they referred to is also subject to interpretation.
    The participle at the beginning of the sentence presents as justification, not as modification. It does not in any way, shape or form alter the meaning of the independent clause "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

    To argue otherwise would be at odds with how an English sentence is constructed.

    The right is to the people. The right is that of keeping and bearing arms. The right is not to be infringed at all.

    As for the meaning of "arms"--it means weapons, be they swords, or tactical nukes, or anything in between.

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    Re: Bullet Control

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    The participle at the beginning of the sentence presents as justification, not as modification. It does not in any way, shape or form alter the meaning of the independent clause "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

    To argue otherwise would be at odds with how an English sentence is constructed.

    The right is to the people. The right is that of keeping and bearing arms. The right is not to be infringed at all.

    As for the meaning of "arms"--it means weapons, be they swords, or tactical nukes, or anything in between.

    Nice interpretation.
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    Re: Bullet Control

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Nice interpretation.
    There seems to be some confusion. If only there were some group of people who could clarify...

    "Firearms stand next in importance to the constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence from the hour the Pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurences and tendencies prove that to ensure peace security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable the very atmosphere of firearms anywhere restrains evil interference they deserve a place of honor with all that's good."
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    "And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press, or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peacable citizens, from keeping their own arms; or to raise standing armies, unless necessary for the defense of the United States, or of some one or more of them; or to prevent the people from petitioning, in a peacable and orderly manner, the federal legislature, for a redress of grievances; or to subject the people to unreasonable searches and seizures of their persons, papers or possesions."
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    Re: Bullet Control

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I love how you leave out the first part of the text of the second amendment "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state" and then argue that it is "crystal clear".

    It is crystal clear. If you read the whole 2nd amendment it does not say "The right of a well regulated militia to keep and bear arms necessary for the security of a free state shall not be infringed. So obviously The is the right of a well regulated militia for the security of a free state and a right of the people to keep and bear arms. Both of those rights shall not be infringed. seems redundant to list "people" and "militia" if the 2nd only applied to militias.

    Reverend_Hellh0und posted this in another thread about 2nd amendment rights, it pretty much states the obvious about the 2nd amendment.
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GNu7ldL1LM&feature=related"]YouTube - Penn & Teller on the 2nd Amendment[/ame]


    While I don't favor gun control, just like much of the Constitution, the 2nd Amendment is subject to interpretation and is certainly not as "crystal clear" as you would claim.
    The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed seems pretty crystal clear to me.




    Also, the types of weapons available today could not have been contemplated in any shape/form by the original writers of the Constitution so the types of "arms" they referred to is also subject to interpretation.
    So buy that logic since they didn't have porn magazines, tv, radio and computers athe government can regulate what you say one those since the founding forefathers couldn't have contemplated those things?
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