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    Re: Term limits for Congressmen and Senators

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    The President and Vice President have one thing in common--their careers are comprised of law school and political office, and that's it. They have done nothing outside of feeding at the public trough.

    Would it not be better if politicians were limited in the amount of time they could indulge themselves thus?
    You realize that working for government is not even remotely an "indulgence," right?

    95% of elected federal officials, ranging from the most measly congressman to Obama himself, could earn twice as much outside of government as they do in it.
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    Re: Term limits for Congressmen and Senators

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    You realize that working for government is not even remotely an "indulgence," right?

    95% of elected federal officials, ranging from the most measly congressman to Obama himself, could earn twice as much outside of government as they do in it.
    Yeah, they're all just good hearted public servants.....

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    Re: Term limits for Congressmen and Senators

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Yeah, they're all just good hearted public servants.....
    Not sure what you're trying to say here, as it's obviously non-responsive to my point.
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    Re: Term limits for Congressmen and Senators

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Not so much term limits, but a complete reform package...this must be done....and this should have commenced many years ago....
    The two year term for Representatives is absurd; right now, I'd say 4 years for both and a two term limit.
    The lobbyists must be curtailed and controlled...
    We no longer can afford to have government for the few(lobbyists and the wealthy)
    There must be zero campaign contributions; let the governments and the citizens run and control this; keep the advertisers out of it.....
    This should first be done on the state level.....then we can find out which system works best.....
    Right now, there is far too much waste..
    Much, much more citizen knowledge and involvement is necessary.
    You don't really expect people to turn away from American Idol, Dancing with the Stars, etc, etc. and actually doing something to inform themselves do you?

    Back to you vision. Would a person be able to go door-to-door to try to convince others they should vote for the candidate he/she supported?

    If that is OK, how about if a person is disabled and not able to get out. Could they have someone else do the door-to-door thing for them? Could they pay their expenses for them?

    I'm sure you see where this is going. Assuming you think a person should be able to advocate for a candidate, at what point does it become bad.


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    Re: Term limits for Congressmen and Senators

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    You realize that working for government is not even remotely an "indulgence," right?

    95% of elected federal officials, ranging from the most measly congressman to Obama himself, could earn twice as much outside of government as they do in it.
    Do you think Bill Clinton could have earned more if he had never run for public office?


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    Re: Term limits for Congressmen and Senators

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    Do you think Bill Clinton could have earned more if he had never run for public office?


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    Do I think that Bill Clinton, minus all public office, could have earned more with just his law degree than the tens of millions he earns now? Of course not, as he's a significant outlier.

    Do I think that Bill Clinton, fresh out of Yale Law and with a Rhodes under his belt, could have earned more working at a law firm than he did as Arkansas AG and Governor (and probably as President)? Definitely.

    People do not go into public service to get rich. For the vast majority of people, choosing to go into public service means foregoing a more lucrative career in the private sector.
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    Re: Term limits for Congressmen and Senators

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    95% of elected federal officials, ranging from the most measly congressman to Obama himself, could earn twice as much outside of government as they do in it.
    Unfortunately, 95% of that 95% earn more because of the 'revolving door' from federal service to lobbyist, lecturer, or by service on corporate boards or university faculties, where their primary function is to secure lucrative government funding. Others parlay their government connections into media careers... TV pundit being a frequent example.

    So yes... being a former official, or former adviser to a former official, can be quite lucrative. Much the same way that being a former pro-athlete can be lucrative because of the many doors that sports stardom can open.

    Whether this says anything about their inherent talents or abilities to 'create profit' in the traditional business sense is something else entirely.


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    Re: Term limits for Congressmen and Senators

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Do I think that Bill Clinton, minus all public office, could have earned more with just his law degree than the tens of millions he earns now? Of course not, as he's a significant outlier.

    Do I think that Bill Clinton, fresh out of Yale Law and with a Rhodes under his belt, could have earned more working at a law firm than he did as Arkansas AG and Governor (and probably as President)? Definitely.

    People do not go into public service to get rich. For the vast majority of people, choosing to go into public service means foregoing a more lucrative career in the private sector.
    Right enough.

    Why does a man want to spend fifteen million of his own dollars to become a US Senator? Because he wants more power than money alone can get him.

    It doesn't mean he wants to "serve" the public, no.

    It means he wants to have power.

    Clinton never gave a rat's behind about helping the public. No. But he got better tail as president than he could have ever gotten as a podunk lawyer.

    Also, getting elected strokes the ego more than earning money. No one gets paid to be high school class president, either, but there's always some clod wanting the title.
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    Re: Term limits for Congressmen and Senators

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Do I think that Bill Clinton, minus all public office, could have earned more with just his law degree than the tens of millions he earns now? Of course not, as he's a significant outlier.

    Do I think that Bill Clinton, fresh out of Yale Law and with a Rhodes under his belt, could have earned more working at a law firm than he did as Arkansas AG and Governor (and probably as President)? Definitely.

    People do not go into public service to get rich. For the vast majority of people, choosing to go into public service means foregoing a more lucrative career in the private sector.
    I think many, if not most, get into it thinking they can make a difference. Once in office though, they become addicted to the power. About anyone that makes it to the national scene can become very wealthy if so inclined.

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    Re: Term limits for Congressmen and Senators

    I favor term limits for both House Rep Members and esp. Senators ( since previously they were selected by the State Legislators though almost guaranteeing some term limits.

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