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  • I support gay marriage as a Federal mandated "right"

    24 39.34%
  • I support GM on a state to state basis IF decided by the citizens or passed by its Legislature

    14 22.95%
  • I support State Courts dictating to the legistlature that gay marriage is a right

    7 11.48%
  • I believe a Constitutional Amendment should be passed baning gay marriage

    19 31.15%
  • I do not believe Gay Marriage should ever be a right

    24 39.34%
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    Re: Gay marriage

    Zimmer, why not an option for the government to get out of marriage entirely?
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    Re: Gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    Zimmer, why not an option for the government to get out of marriage entirely?
    Indeed. That is the best option. Religious marriage is completely outside the jurisdiction of the government. Replace all marriages with open civil unions and finally acknowledge it's a three way contract.
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    Re: Gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    None of the above.

    I think if its going to be government by the federal government, and at this point with how ingrained it is I think it has to be, then I believe they should strip the word marriage out of government completely. Let religion be the sole arbiter of the word marriage allowing the word and its meaning to keep its sanctity. At the same time, government should allow for civil unions between any two consenting adults with the benefits that are generally granted to marriage previously being granted to these civil unions.

    This in theory would:

    1. Preserve the sanctity of Marriage, as only individual churchs could choose to allow people to get married.
    2. Allow for the benefits that government provides to marriage previously to apply equally across the board for those that are likely to be spending an extended period of time living together.
    My position, exactly.
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    Re: Gay marriage

    I'm not an American but I'd certainly leave such a thing to the state to decide. I don't think the federal gov't requires much power over marriage and certainly not to change its meaning.
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    Re: Gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    I don't think the Fed should be in the marriage business in the first place. Let the states decide and go from there.
    It's not that simple. It is impossible to leave same-sex marriage up to the states for much longer...at some point, the federal government will have to get more involved. There are all kinds of federal issues in play here. The laws would obviously differ widely from same-sex marriage states to non-same sex marriage states (or even within those groupings), which leaves plenty of room for ambiguity that only the feds could solve. David Frum, a conservative pundit at the American Enterprise Institute who is neutral in the gay marriage debate, came up with a list of scenarios to illustrate this point. Here are Frum's scenarios:

    1) A man from an SSM state buys a condo in a non-SSM state. He marries another man back homeóbut he dies before he can write a will. Who inherits the condo?

    2) Two women from an SSM state marry. One of them becomes pregnant. The couple splits up, and the woman who bore the child moves to a non-SSM state. The other woman sues for visitation rights. What should the stateís courts do?

    3) A man in an SSM is accused of stock fraud. The federal Securities and Exchange Commission subpoenas his spouse. The spouse claims marital privilege and refuses to answer the SECís questions. May the SEC compel him to answer anyway?

    4) Two women marry in an SSM state. The relationship sours. Without obtaining a divorce, one of the women moves to a non-SSM state and marries a man. Has she committed bigamy?

    5) Two married men are vacationing in another state. One of them has a stroke. The hospital concludes he will never recover. Local law requires the hospital to ask the next of kin whether to maintain life support. Whom should it ask?

    6) A man from an SSM state marries a foreign visitor of the same sex. Should the foreigner be entitled to U.S. residency? What if the foreign man has also adopted the American man's child?

    7) A family in a non-SSM state sets up a trust for their son. The son moves to an SSM state, marries a man, and then gets divorced. The trust is the son's only financial asset. Should the courts of the SSM state take the trust into account when dividing up the coupleís assets? If yes, what happens when the trustees back in the non-SSM state refuse to comply?

    8) A woman married to another woman wins a lawsuit against a corporation in a non-SSM state. The successful plaintiff dies without a will before she can collect her debt. Her closest blood relative demands that the corporation pay the relative, not the surviving
    spouse. Who gets the money?
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    Re: Gay marriage

    Damn minorly, tricky situations that don't fit into neat geometrical political models. These must need to be solved by centralised, uniform interference!
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    Re: Gay marriage

    I think it's impractical to have any type of marriage that is recognized in some states but not others. Just creates slop and mess. I don't believe that disallowing gay marriage is a civil rights issue as gays and lesbians have the same limits on who they can marry as any other folks do. That said, I think they should be allowed to marry for no other reason then, "what the hell do I care..." There are tons of gay and lesbian couples that live as lifelong partners and there are tons of hetero couples who crap all over the sanctity of marriage. I don't see how recognizing gay marriage will in any way damage marriage and I view marriage as couples coming together to live out their lives in a monogamous setting and can't think of one good reason why any state should not accept any couples desire to be legally recognized as such a couple on the basis of but "they're gaaaaay."
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    Re: Gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Damn minorly, tricky situations that don't fit into neat geometrical political models. These must need to be solved by centralised, uniform interference!
    How would YOU suggest they are solved? On what basis?
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    Re: Gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    Zimmer, why not an option for the government to get out of marriage entirely?
    Well... just isn't something likely to happen. The others could or should.

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    Re: Gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    How would YOU suggest they are solved? On what basis?
    Let the states decide and it is non-transferable.

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