View Poll Results: Gay marriage; where do you fall?

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  • I support gay marriage as a Federal mandated "right"

    24 39.34%
  • I support GM on a state to state basis IF decided by the citizens or passed by its Legislature

    14 22.95%
  • I support State Courts dictating to the legistlature that gay marriage is a right

    7 11.48%
  • I believe a Constitutional Amendment should be passed baning gay marriage

    19 31.15%
  • I do not believe Gay Marriage should ever be a right

    24 39.34%
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Thread: Gay marriage

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    Re: Gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by vauge View Post
    My position has changed over the years even since this forum has been created. I believe it should be up to the states - period. Fed should stay out of it. Marriage is nothing but a local and state tax on citizens anyway so to define it as a guaranteed right is disingenuous. There is no natural *right* in paying taxes.

    However, I do *not* believe that states should be forced to recognize other states marriages. Repeal the 14th amendment (at minimum equal protection) and we are golden.
    Does that included heterosexual marriages as well?

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    Re: Gay marriage

    None of the above.

    I think if its going to be government by the federal government, and at this point with how ingrained it is I think it has to be, then I believe they should strip the word marriage out of government completely. Let religion be the sole arbiter of the word marriage allowing the word and its meaning to keep its sanctity. At the same time, government should allow for civil unions between any two consenting adults with the benefits that are generally granted to marriage previously being granted to these civil unions.

    This in theory would:

    1. Preserve the sanctity of Marriage, as only individual churchs could choose to allow people to get married.
    2. Allow for the benefits that government provides to marriage previously to apply equally across the board for those that are likely to be spending an extended period of time living together.
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    Re: Gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Does that included heterosexual marriages as well?
    Sure. Move to another state, pay another tax.
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    Re: Gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by vauge View Post
    Sure. Move to another state, pay another tax.
    I see a problem with that in the FFC

    Article IV Section 1.
    Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof.

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    Re: Gay marriage

    I think that it should be decided federally, but that does not mean that I am against progress being made in the legislature or courts in the meantime. So I voted for the first, second and third options.
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    Re: Gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I see a problem with that in the FFC

    Article IV Section 1.
    Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof.
    Why does one have to get a new drivers license when moving to another state?

    It is not a simple contract tax?
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    Re: Gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by vauge View Post
    Why does one have to get a new drivers license when moving to another state?

    It is not a simple contract?
    Hey I just play a lawyer on the internet not TV!

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    Re: Gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Easy answer for me. It's up to the states, and not the Federal government's business.
    Actually its no ones business
    Being gay is within their rights as Americans just as its with in our rights to worship a purple chicken if we desire such.

    "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"

    These lines are what we as American are all about. How can we claim to be a the shinning light for Liberty and freedom if we deny our own people?
    Last edited by cherokee; 04-13-09 at 10:47 AM.

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    Re: Gay marriage

    While I'm not terribly thrilled with it being a "right", certainly if we're going to stand for equality as a nation, it needs to be upheld at the federal level so that marriages that are legal in one state are legal in all states.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    While I'm not terribly thrilled with it being a "right", certainly if we're going to stand for equality as a nation, it needs to be upheld at the federal level so that marriages that are legal in one state are legal in all states.
    Well said.

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