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    Should the U.S. Navy shell Somali villages that harbor pirates?

    Three cheers for the Navy SEALS who whacked these criminals! Kidnapped US captain freed; snipers kill 3 pirates

    Unfortunately, these thieves have become a serious economic problem. Shippers face higher insurance as pirates run amok

    Fortunately, it is a problem with a simple and cost-free solution. Just kill them.

    This isn't like Pirates of the Caribbean, where they have a top-secret hideout in some hidden cove that nobody can find. They are operating from villages in plain view of the dozens of navel vessels we have sent to the area.

    Jeez! Give me command of just one destroyer for a single day and I will put an abrupt end to the entire piracy problem. There are too many Somalis anyway. Nobody will miss the ones who live along the coast. The inland Somalis can make an honest living at farming - I'll even offer to pay top dollar for any agricultural products they have to sell. But the ones on the coast have to die.

    In my experience, people are motivated by only two things: fear and greed. The Somalis have tasted greed. Now let us teach them fear.
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    Re: Should the U.S. Navy shell Somali villages that harbor pirates?

    I wouldn't object to this, but it's worth remembering that shelling them for one day will not solve any problems. Piracy is more or less going to resume as soon as they build new communities along the coastlines and obtain more boats.

    They're going to continue engaging in piracy until there is a strong state in Somalia to prevent them.

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    Re: Should the U.S. Navy shell Somali villages that harbor pirates?

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    Re: Should the U.S. Navy shell Somali villages that harbor pirates?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    They're going to continue engaging in piracy until there is a strong state in Somalia to prevent them.
    No state for them.

    Somalia needs to be divided up among the neighboring countries, who at the very least have managed to build viable governments that last.

    Give the territory to someone who does the job, even if they are less than perfect in it.

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    Re: Should the U.S. Navy shell Somali villages that harbor pirates?

    Take some action? Absolutely. Drastic action? Yes, if necessary. But as posed, the poll question implies rather indiscriminate shelling, which could very well be counterproductive.

    We need more info and intel about these villages. We need to identify any citizens-if any-that are against their village harboring these pirates and enlist their aid and provide them with assistance in ridding their village of the pirates.

    It may well be that there aren't any such, but if so, we need to know that, too.

    Some of the US military assistance programs in Djibouti and other countries around the horn have enjoyed reasonable success, though we don't hear much about them. At a minimum, I would hope that we could assess whether or not such programs (or some other kind of less violent program) would work in some of these Somali villages, before we bring out the big guns and just level them.

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    Re: Should the U.S. Navy shell Somali villages that harbor pirates?

    Onion Eater,

    I believe some form of military action might be helpful, but such action would need to comply with the Laws of War e.g., compliance would rule out indiscriminate bombardment. Attacks that target pirates, pirate facilities/boats and/or weapons would be legitimate.

    Several possible steps might include:

    1. Scheduling the passage of shipping so as to allow for naval escorts.
    2. Capturing strategic points on the Somali coastline e.g., major ports used by the pirates. Merely raiding or clearing the villages probably won't provide a sustainable solution.
    3. Creating a temporary secured zone comprised of those captured areas, with the African Union taking charge of security arrangements.
    4. If or when--probably if, in the near-term--Somalia has a government capable of exercising jurisdiction in the captured areas, those areas could revert to Somalia. That understanding should be explicit, as Somalia is presently a failed state, but it should not be assumed that Somalia will remain a failed state over the longer-term. There needs to be flexibility to allow Somalia to regain control over its territory once it overcomes its failed state status.
    5. Some form of international assistance for the Somali coastal communities so that the economic environment would become less attractive to piracy.

    A UN Security Council resolution would be quite helpful in pursuing some of the above steps e.g., setting up a temporary protected zone. An understanding that is reached with the nominal Somali government and any leading Somali tribal elders could also be beneficial.

    There is a possibility that agreements forged with Somali tribal elders might reduce the need for military action by reducing piracy. If that avenue is productive, then military operations might not be necessary or they could be more limited than described above.

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    Re: Should the U.S. Navy shell Somali villages that harbor pirates?

    NO, but Somali "mother ships" at sea are to be boarded, searched, and better be clearly a fishing or merchant vessel. If carrying other than a few small arms, the captain gets hung, and his crew gets sent to prison at Diego Garcia....

    Don't punish the villagers for what is happening at sea...
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    Re: Should the U.S. Navy shell Somali villages that harbor pirates?

    Just my two cents.

    You may not agree with me but at least appreciate my honesty in this matter.

    Pirates revenge? Revenge my ass!

    F*** those little pigmy mother*******.

    I am sick and tired of our country being anchored down from progress because of some 3rd world, ignorant, nasty, archaic culture bent on stupidity.

    I realize those folks are in dire straits over there but it ain't my problem. It's THEIR problem. Their culture, by design it seems, prevents them from being much more than they already are. They make their own bed so let them sleep on their piss-stenched mattresses. But, DON'T TREAD ON ME!" If they insist on making their problem our problem, let's give some REAL problems to deal with.

    You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. You can give them all the rice stuffed care packages and financial aid you got and they will STILL be a low-life form of parasitic sub-humanity bent on all the low-character traits known to mankind.

    I would give the tribal elders in Somilia 30 days to deal with their own trash and eliminate those engaging in the piracy industry or get the f*** out of the way while we carpet bomb every square inch of that sh**-hole of a country they call Somalia.

    Yessir. F*** those retards! I have no human sympathy for those cockroach people.






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    Re: Should the U.S. Navy shell Somali villages that harbor pirates?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Just my two cents.

    You may not agree with me but at least appreciate my honesty in this matter.



    I am sick and tired of our country being anchored down from progress because of some 3rd world, ignorant, nasty, archaic culture bent on stupidity.

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    Catch me on a bad day and I might even be a littler harsher in my opinion.
    I feel the same about our GOP leadership....
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    Re: Should the U.S. Navy shell Somali villages that harbor pirates?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Don't punish the villagers for what is happening at sea...
    Bloody hell, punish the villagers first. The villagers are the ones getting the benefit of the pirates' ill gotten gains but don't even have the balls to be doing the looting themselves.

    If you give safe haven for pirate scum you should die like pirate scum--grotesquely and horribly.

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