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Straight from the American and Israeli warhawk strategy book.
No. This is the accepted standard of armed conflict.
Straight from the American and Israeli warhawk strategy book.
Stop your emotional daitribes.
The innocent Somali villagers are thieves and murderers? :doh
I've never heard such an asinine appeal from ethnocentrism in my life. You seem to think that Somali citizens are living a life similar to people from downtown Harlem or something, like they have a 'choice'.
These civilians are either going to 'harbor' these pirates or die. These communities have no options.
Then maybe we should kill all Somalians. If some Somalians become pirates, we could kill them all, thus ridding ourselves of the pirate threat! Brilliant logic! :roll:
So let me get your foolish logic straight: If I'm poor and I take some money from a man who is a murderer, I am a murderer? Oh God, this is classic!If they support theives or murderers or live off the proceeds of theives and murderers, THEY ARE THEIVES AND MURDERERS.
...and I would be satisfied not killing innocent men, women and children. Guess one of us will not be satisfied by the end of this.I would be satisfied with bombing the Somali costline until it can no longer be used to lauch water craft.
This applies to the harbors in these cities as well.
Ah, so if someone doesn't want innocents to die, you pull out the anti-Liberal rhetoric. Very mature. :roll:You know that how?
The only assinine thing here is your tired lack of vision. You defend theives are murderers --- you are as bad as they are.
Kindly save your hippy diatribes for Berkley town hall meetings and tree-hugging ceremonies!
You do not make arguments. You whine like a child and let your emotions overrun you, causing you to say things like:Another failure on your part.
You cannot defeat my argument so you're screaming "emotional diatribe".
You fail sir.
Shall we call a WAAAAAAAAAMMMBULLLANCE for the pirates and those who provide them safe harbor?
If the pirates cannot launch boats from those ports, THEY CANNOT COMMIT ACTS OF PIRACY.
Stop making excuses for your criminal friends. They took an are godless thieves who can surrender and be punished in a civilized manner OR THEY CAN ALL BE DESTROYED.
Accept it.
Says you.
You know nothing about warfare or national defense.
Kindly save your hippyish suggestions for Berkley town hall meetings.
Thanks.
You OF ALL PEOPLE are NEVER ENTITLED to tell somebody else to control THEIR citizens.
Your homeland is a sewer of terrorists, pirates, criminals, warlords, and islamic corruption.
You have ZERO business telling Ahmed to control HIS citizens.
Stop making excuses for theives and murderers.
:shock:
Cease your latent support for the pirates and those who live off money stolen or extorted from others.
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I understand Egypt has problems over the concept of soverignty but keep it down when individual Somalis take it into their own hands or control your citizens.
You OF ALL PEOPLE are NEVER ENTITLED to tell somebody else to control THEIR citizens.
Your homeland is a sewer of terrorists, pirates, criminals, warlords, and islamic corruption.
You have ZERO business telling Ahmed to control HIS citizens.
I have a better idea. Anyone know a reason why we couldn't use spy satillite technology like the NSA has to keep track of movements and locations of pirates? Have the NSA coordinate with the Navy and intercept pirates who are approaching ships. If they can tell what brand of cigarette your smoking from space surely they could determine who the pirates are by the weapons they carry and where they deploy from.
I have a better idea. Anyone know a reason why we couldn't use spy satillite technology like the NSA has to keep track of movements and locations of pirates? Have the NSA coordinate with the Navy and intercept pirates who are approaching ships. If they can tell what brand of cigarette your smoking from space surely they could determine who the pirates are by the weapons they carry and where they deploy from.
Ok SgtRock I have given it some thought. I do not see any reason why this would not work since we allready have the spy satillites in orbit. If we could get the NSA to coordinate with the US Navy and the Navy to coordinate with the other Navies in the area.
Sgt, don't think this is allready happening? And if so why is it not effective?
I understand that the area being patroled is over 1 million sq. mi. Maybe the problem is to few ships to cover the area effevtively. Still Im sure the Obama can convince our allies to do more just like he convinced them to send more troops to Afghanistan. Oh wait, he wasn't successful at that was he. I guess he's finding out that things don't allways work out the way you want them to in the real world. Anyway Im not sure that the NSA or other foreign agencies are monitering the situation. If they were surely they could spot these pirates, couldn't they Sgt?
You would think so. We had the technology for decades now certainly it has become more advanced. I'll bet they could launch some drones to take out these pirates as they approach ships.
Hey I like the Idea of using drones to take out these pirates. But I am pretty sure that the Navy only uses Global Hawk recon drones. They do not have the armed drones yet. The Army and Airforce have armed drones they could deploy them from carriers. Speaking of carriers, maybe thats the solution. A carrier in the area could fly sorties against these pirates with the intel they obtain from the NSA. This way we could avoid the mess of collateral damage and concentrate our efforts on the pirates themselfs.
...and I would be satisfied not killing innocent men, women and children. Guess one of us will not be satisfied by the end of this.
Um....RMS Lusitania was sunk by a German submarine on May 1, 1915.This same logic was what caused an armed conflict with Germany during the early 1930s. German U-boats attacked and sank shipping traffic as well as the HMS Lucitania. The result of this action was WAR.
Again ... the Germans continued their activities until the allies but a foot up their asses.
Bloody hell, punish the villagers first. The villagers are the ones getting the benefit of the pirates' ill gotten gains but don't even have the balls to be doing the looting themselves.
If you give safe haven for pirate scum you should die like pirate scum--grotesquely and horribly.
Friend,
One might consider this first. When calling for the random death of 'villagers' one might try placing themselves with becoming a target by such 'shelling' if circumstances in life at birth had allowed one to be a common 'villager' in Somalia instead of what and where one is today. One's views about being randomly shelled by a larger military force sitting off shore might not set too well when hearing shells screeching in on top of one's family. Sometimes we all should reverse roles and put ourselves in other's shoes when wishing random death to others. Just saying.