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    Re: Should the U.S. Navy shell Somali villages that harbor pirates?

    Perhaps strategic placement of radar/movement activated GPS systems to early identify the scurge pirates once they are more than a few miles offshore, coupled with onboard armed security, remote controlled drones capable of fire power, convoy style/wagon train shipping methods, might help.

    Obviously, the area is too vast to spot each and every little piss-ant boat these sea terrorists can launch. But it might be possible to track and identify their movements from space once the boat moves further offshore. Once sighted, marked, and identified an armed drone could be dispached to do recon. If it is determined to be an enemy threat, it can be eliminated before it reaches the ship. It takes quite a while to get 200-300 miles offshore in a small craft. The pirate "mother crafts" that harbor these attack boats should be easy enough to identify. Perhaps mandate that all boats in the area, more than 50 miles offshore emit an internatinal friend or foe frequency. Those pirate boats not emitting this frequency are legal targets for demise.

    If the pirates get past this outer perimeter of defence, onboard radar can spot them a few miles out, giving the convoy's armed helicopters time to get in the air and engage. If, in a worst case scenerio, the pirates actually get within firing distance of the ship, the onboard security from the collective convoy can set-up for a real nice turkey-shoot.

    No quarter for Pirates. No mercy. It needs to be understood that engaging in this practice means certain death.

    Many steps and measures to deter piracy, such as the ones above, have yet to be implimented. We should try them before we start blowing fishing villages away I suppose.

    But we should take no option off the table.

    Zero tolerance for piracy henceforth.
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    Re: Should the U.S. Navy shell Somali villages that harbor pirates?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Why just the US? If your house is infested with bugs, you don't just have the exterminator in for one room....
    You know the easiest way to stop an infestation of rats, you eliminate the allowed the rats to exist there in the first place. By killing the rats and not working on cleaning up the mess around the house, it only allows more rats to come feed.

    Not saying you don't kill some rats, but is the exterminator going to go around your house destroying your stuff to get to those rats.
    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Don't recall anyone suggesting bombing all of Somalia. Just those villages that harbor pirates....ya know, those "select few of individuals" and their in-port co-conspirators and accomplices?
    You think in the military had enough info on the pirates to find out what villages they were in, they could just send in a few teams to nab the ****ers, the fact is they don't know.

    So this idea that we just bomb the coast line of Somali tell the pirates give up is hogwash.
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    Re: Should the U.S. Navy shell Somali villages that harbor pirates?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed Shaheen View Post
    I do agree with some sayings here about being the issue a benefit to the villagers .. citizens of 3d world countries can be easily brainwashed due their ignorance, so I think that some "big head" convenced them that what the pirates are doing is 100% legal and will gain them a huge benefit, or they agreed with piracy as a last solution to end their poverty and famine .
    In both ways I think shelling the villages that harbor pirates isn't a good idea because its impossible to find all the villages are pirates, and it will make more pirates than it will eliminate.
    That is the same lame argument that you used when we discussed terrorists.

    It's incorrect.

    These people are pirates --- who work for a profit ... not terrorists who have been brainwashed into murdering for Allah.

    There is no ideology here --- only greed.

    Destroying safe harbors for terrorists will make it harder for them to operate.

    In accordance with this idea, I favor arming the crews of those freighters. Give those crews guns and authorization to kill any pirate ****bag that sets foot on their ship.

    Make life painful for the somali pirate ****bags.

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    Re: Should the U.S. Navy shell Somali villages that harbor pirates?

    The comments in this thread perfectly illustrates why terrorism exists. Americans with cushy lifestyles are calling for the wanton murder of civilians whose only crime is to live next to some pirates. The pirates so far have not killed a single American, much less anyone personally known to them. Still, the dehumanizing of innocents and desire for blood is strong.

    You wonder why Palestinians call for the deaths of Israeli civilians? They live in poverty and watch their family members die. The misplaced hatred is magnified quite a bit when they actually have something to complain about. It is all too easy to give into anger and simply lash out with violence.

    The thing that makes the U.S. different from various terrorists is that we make military choices based on logic and reason, not revenge fantasies. Pirates have been killed, but only because it was necessary, not out of hatred.

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    Re: Should the U.S. Navy shell Somali villages that harbor pirates?

    Ron Paul suggests bounty hunting!

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/Death-...post1057991940

    Good idea!

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    Re: Should the U.S. Navy shell Somali villages that harbor pirates?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    The comments in this thread perfectly illustrates why terrorism exists. Americans with cushy lifestyles are calling for the wanton murder of civilians whose only crime is to live next to some pirates. The pirates so far have not killed a single American, much less anyone personally known to them. Still, the dehumanizing of innocents and desire for blood is strong.

    You wonder why Palestinians call for the deaths of Israeli civilians? They live in poverty and watch their family members die. The misplaced hatred is magnified quite a bit when they actually have something to complain about. It is all too easy to give into anger and simply lash out with violence.

    The thing that makes the U.S. different from various terrorists is that we make military choices based on logic and reason, not revenge fantasies. Pirates have been killed, but only because it was necessary, not out of hatred.
    Enough liberal prattle.

    There is no wanton murder. That is pure liberal bull**** and you should be ashamed of yourself for spewing it.

    We need to make sure these pirates cannot continue to cause grief. We need to make it clear that taking ships will NOT be tolerated.

    If you lack the ball-balls to do what must be done, STEP ASIDE AND LEAVE THAT JOB TO THOSE WHO DO.

    Do not sit there and spew lies and rhetoric.

    We are not calling for murder --- we are not even calling for killings... we are merely calling for measures that prevent Somali ****bags from committing acts of piracy and murder.

    If you cannot handle that, I am sorry.

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    Re: Should the U.S. Navy shell Somali villages that harbor pirates?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    The comments in this thread perfectly illustrates why terrorism exists. Americans with cushy lifestyles are calling for the wanton murder of civilians whose only crime is to live next to some pirates. The pirates so far have not killed a single American, much less anyone personally known to them. Still, the dehumanizing of innocents and desire for blood is strong.

    You wonder why Palestinians call for the deaths of Israeli civilians? They live in poverty and watch their family members die. The misplaced hatred is magnified quite a bit when they actually have something to complain about. It is all too easy to give into anger and simply lash out with violence.

    The thing that makes the U.S. different from various terrorists is that we make military choices based on logic and reason, not revenge fantasies. Pirates have been killed, but only because it was necessary, not out of hatred.
    The reason we have a cushy lifestyle is because we are willing to throw off the yoke of imperialism, and demand a portion of the wealth of our nation.

    We kicked the British out a long time ago....

    Maybe it is time for other countries to join the age of revolution, to throw out their home grown oppressors. I bet France still has a few guillotines on hand. They certainly knew how to deal with kings who cared nothing for their subjects.
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    Re: Should the U.S. Navy shell Somali villages that harbor pirates?

    The reason we have a cushy lifestyle is because we are willing to throw off the yoke of imperialism, and demand a portion of the wealth of our nation.

    We kicked the British out a long time ago....
    The Americans were quite wealthy when ruled by the British. We have a cushy lifestyle because we managed to industrialize. Canada didn't throw out the British, and are quite well of as well.

    Maybe it is time for other countries to join the age of revolution, to throw out their home grown oppressors. I bet France still has a few guillotines on hand. They certainly knew how to deal with kings who cared nothing for their subjects.
    The pirates have all the weapons and money in Somalia, putting the locals at a significant disadvantage. However, even if you want a local revolt, carpet bombing them is going to prevent revolution, not create it.

    As for you Vader, I'd suggest you just calm down. You call for the death of everyone so often it becomes meaningless.

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    Re: Should the U.S. Navy shell Somali villages that harbor pirates?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    The Americans were quite wealthy when ruled by the British. We have a cushy lifestyle because we managed to industrialize. Canada didn't throw out the British, and are quite well of as well.



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    Canada is still a colony of the British empire? If so, in name only.....it has its own govt, military, laws, etc. Passports are required to enter canada, even from england...
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    Re: Should the U.S. Navy shell Somali villages that harbor pirates?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    The comments in this thread perfectly illustrates why terrorism exists. Americans with cushy lifestyles are calling for the wanton murder of civilians whose only crime is to live next to some pirates. The pirates so far have not killed a single American, much less anyone personally known to them. Still, the dehumanizing of innocents and desire for blood is strong.
    I'm not calling for the murder of any civilians. I'm calling for swift and bloody reprisals against pirates and those who give them safe harbor. If a village on the coast has only peaceful fishers and the like, of course they should be left in peace.

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    You wonder why Palestinians call for the deaths of Israeli civilians? They live in poverty and watch their family members die. The misplaced hatred is magnified quite a bit when they actually have something to complain about. It is all too easy to give into anger and simply lash out with violence.
    Is that why the Palestinians put rocket batteries in their own schools and hospitals, and why they will dig tunnels to smuggle weapons into Gaza but not one single bomb shelter to give the civilians shelter when the inevitable reprisals for their rocket attacks on Israel descend on them?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    The thing that makes the U.S. different from various terrorists is that we make military choices based on logic and reason, not revenge fantasies. Pirates have been killed, but only because it was necessary, not out of hatred.
    Agreed. I don't hate the pirates. If they'll stop being pirates, I'll stop saying they should be killed. Reasonable, logical, and justified.

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