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    Re: Should the U.S. Navy shell Somali villages that harbor pirates?

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
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    Re: Should the U.S. Navy shell Somali villages that harbor pirates?

    Well, Sarge, you kinda come to class a lil' bit late there ol' buddy.

    See post #71.

    Perhaps strategic placement of radar/movement activated GPS systems to early identify the scurge pirates once they are more than a few miles offshore, coupled with onboard armed security, remote controlled drones capable of fire power, convoy style/wagon train shipping methods, might help.

    Obviously, the area is too vast to spot each and every little piss-ant boat these sea terrorists can launch. But it might be possible to track and identify their movements from space once the boat moves further offshore. Once sighted, marked, and identified an armed drone could be dispached to do recon. If it is determined to be an enemy threat, it can be eliminated before it reaches the ship. It takes quite a while to get 200-300 miles offshore in a small craft. The pirate "mother crafts" that harbor these attack boats should be easy enough to identify. Perhaps mandate that all boats in the area, more than 50 miles offshore emit an internatinal friend or foe frequency. Those pirate boats not emitting this frequency are legal targets for demise.

    If the pirates get past this outer perimeter of defence, onboard radar can spot them a few miles out, giving the convoy's armed helicopters time to get in the air and engage. If, in a worst case scenerio, the pirates actually get within firing distance of the ship, the onboard security from the collective convoy can set-up for a real nice turkey-shoot.
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    Re: Should the U.S. Navy shell Somali villages that harbor pirates?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Again ....

    You know nothing about defense, military strategy, or how to end an armed conflict with a bunch of murderous asshats.

    Therefore, you are NOT in a position to state what IS and IS NOT a good idea.

    The Somalis MUST BE TAUGHT to leave cargo vessels alone. This education, while laden with a hefty price, is necessary.

    The world cannot be allowed to suffer because a collection of murderous ****bags insists on harassing commercial shipping traffic.

    This same logic was what caused an armed conflict with Germany during the early 1930s. German U-boats attacked and sank shipping traffic as well as the HMS Lucitania. The result of this action was WAR.

    Again ... the Germans continued their activities until the allies but a foot up their asses.

    The same stance MUST be taken with the somali ****bags.

    If you cannot understand this, TOO DAMN BAD.
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    Re: Should the U.S. Navy shell Somali villages that harbor pirates?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Um....RMS Lusitania was sunk by a German submarine on May 1, 1915.

    Germany did not engage in commerce raiding again until 1939, after the start of WWII.
    1.) World War II started in 1940 --- NOT 1939.

    2.) Thank you for the information on the Lucitania. I honestly thought it sailed under the English flag.

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    Re: Should the U.S. Navy shell Somali villages that harbor pirates?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    1.) World War II started in 1940 --- NOT 1939.
    World War II is generally held to have started on September 1, 1939, when Germany under Adolf Hitler invaded Poland. Arguably, however, World War II could be dated to the Marco Polo Bridge Incident, which took place July 7-9, 1937, and marked the beginning of all-out war between Japan and China.

    In either case, World War II was in full vigor by 1940.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    2.) Thank you for the information on the Lucitania. I honestly thought it sailed under the English flag.
    It did. RMS stands for Royal Mail Ship, and was generally used with ships of the Cunard line.

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    Re: Should the U.S. Navy shell Somali villages that harbor pirates?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Again ....

    You know nothing about defense, military strategy, or how to end an armed conflict with a bunch of murderous asshats.

    Therefore, you are NOT in a position to state what IS and IS NOT a good idea.

    The Somalis MUST BE TAUGHT to leave cargo vessels alone. This education, while laden with a hefty price, is necessary.

    The world cannot be allowed to suffer because a collection of murderous ****bags insists on harassing commercial shipping traffic.

    This same logic was what caused an armed conflict with Germany during the early 1930s. German U-boats attacked and sank shipping traffic as well as the HMS Lucitania. The result of this action was WAR.

    Again ... the Germans continued their activities until the allies but a foot up their asses.

    The same stance MUST be taken with the somali ****bags.

    If you cannot understand this, TOO DAMN BAD.
    Germany colanization of East Europe was totally evil, while the rest of europes colanization of Africa, Asia and South America was totally justified.

    You got your facts wrong about Lusitania. In a well documented conversation between Colonel House, Wilson's adviser and Sir Edward Grey, the Foreign Secretary of England regarding how to get America into the war, Grey inquired:

    “What will American do if germans sink an ocean liner with American passengers on board?”

    House responded:

    “I believe that a flame of indignation would sweep the United States and that by itself would be sufficient to carry us into war.”

    Soon after this was said, the Lusitania was sent into German waters and sunk by German U-boats. We did not teach Germany anything, the destruction of the german empire in both the world wars is what allowed America to become what it is today.

    It was better for our bottom line to keep Germany from gobbling up Russia for itself. England, France and America could not compete with a Germany that large. We were stopping them from becoming the III roman empire, which Hitler was trying to make come true.

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    Re: Should the U.S. Navy shell Somali villages that harbor pirates?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    World War II is generally held to have started on September 1, 1939, when Germany under Adolf Hitler invaded Poland. Arguably, however, World War II could be dated to the Marco Polo Bridge Incident, which took place July 7-9, 1937, and marked the beginning of all-out war between Japan and China.

    In either case, World War II was in full vigor by 1940.
    My bad. I was incorrect here and I admit that.

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    Re: Should the U.S. Navy shell Somali villages that harbor pirates?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    World War II is generally held to have started on September 1, 1939, when Germany under Adolf Hitler invaded Poland. Arguably, however, World War II could be dated to the Marco Polo Bridge Incident, which took place July 7-9, 1937, and marked the beginning of all-out war between Japan and China.

    In either case, World War II was in full vigor by 1940.



    It did. RMS stands for Royal Mail Ship, and was generally used with ships of the Cunard line.
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    Re: Should the U.S. Navy shell Somali villages that harbor pirates?

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    People usually get the governent and conditions they deserve.
    I do not believe that Africa and Latin America have languished in horrific poverty for centuries simply because they're all terrible people who deserve it. Rather, the conditions of poverty, lack of education, lack of equal rights etc, were generally imposed and institutionalized from without. And although classical colonialism may be over, such impositions always perpetuate more ugliness. Again, as I said, none of us here can say that (having known only violence and poverty our entire lives) we would not resort to criminal activity if it was the only means to feed ourselves and our families.
    I doubt that the Somali people are genetically predisposed to evil, or that they simply all enjoy the pirate lifestyle. Rather, they find themselves born into inhuman conditions of poverty and violence with no real options. If we want to end the problem of piracy, we will have to first end inhuman conditions of poverty.
    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    Didn't the US try to help with the Somali poverty problem back in the 90s? I think, for their trouble, they had soldiers drug through the street while those poor folks cheered.
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    Re: Should the U.S. Navy shell Somali villages that harbor pirates?

    Shelling? no

    Take it over and build strip malls.
    Takes about 30 years like any other quick social change.
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