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    Re: Should the U.S. Navy shell Somali villages that harbor pirates?

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    I have a better idea. Anyone know a reason why we couldn't use spy satillite technology like the NSA has to keep track of movements and locations of pirates? Have the NSA coordinate with the Navy and intercept pirates who are approaching ships. If they can tell what brand of cigarette your smoking from space surely they could determine who the pirates are by the weapons they carry and where they deploy from.

    Ok SgtRock I have given it some thought. I do not see any reason why this would not work since we allready have the spy satillites in orbit. If we could get the NSA to coordinate with the US Navy and the Navy to coordinate with the other Navies in the area.

    Sgt, don't you think this is allready happening? And if so why is it not effective?
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    Re: Should the U.S. Navy shell Somali villages that harbor pirates?

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    Ok SgtRock I have given it some thought. I do not see any reason why this would not work since we allready have the spy satillites in orbit. If we could get the NSA to coordinate with the US Navy and the Navy to coordinate with the other Navies in the area.

    Sgt, don't think this is allready happening? And if so why is it not effective?
    I understand that the area being patroled is over 1 million sq. mi. Maybe the problem is to few ships to cover the area effevtively. Still Im sure the Obama can convince our allies to do more just like he convinced them to send more troops to Afghanistan. Oh wait, he wasn't successful at that was he. I guess he's finding out that things don't allways work out the way you want them to in the real world. Anyway Im not sure that the NSA or other foreign agencies are monitering the situation. If they were surely they could spot these pirates, couldn't they Sgt?
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    Re: Should the U.S. Navy shell Somali villages that harbor pirates?

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    I understand that the area being patroled is over 1 million sq. mi. Maybe the problem is to few ships to cover the area effevtively. Still Im sure the Obama can convince our allies to do more just like he convinced them to send more troops to Afghanistan. Oh wait, he wasn't successful at that was he. I guess he's finding out that things don't allways work out the way you want them to in the real world. Anyway Im not sure that the NSA or other foreign agencies are monitering the situation. If they were surely they could spot these pirates, couldn't they Sgt?
    You would think so. We have had the technology for decades now certainly it has become more advanced. I'll bet they could launch some drones to take out these pirates as they approach ships.
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    Re: Should the U.S. Navy shell Somali villages that harbor pirates?

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    You would think so. We had the technology for decades now certainly it has become more advanced. I'll bet they could launch some drones to take out these pirates as they approach ships.
    Hey I like the Idea of using drones to take out these pirates. But I am pretty sure that the Navy only uses Global Hawk recon drones. They do not have the armed drones yet. The Army and Airforce have armed drones they could deploy them from carriers. Speaking of carriers, maybe thats the solution. A carrier in the area could fly sorties against these pirates with the intel they obtain from the NSA. They could send out reconnissance drones to verify the intel. This way we could avoid the mess of collateral damage and concentrate our efforts on the pirates themselfs.
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    Re: Should the U.S. Navy shell Somali villages that harbor pirates?

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    Hey I like the Idea of using drones to take out these pirates. But I am pretty sure that the Navy only uses Global Hawk recon drones. They do not have the armed drones yet. The Army and Airforce have armed drones they could deploy them from carriers. Speaking of carriers, maybe thats the solution. A carrier in the area could fly sorties against these pirates with the intel they obtain from the NSA. This way we could avoid the mess of collateral damage and concentrate our efforts on the pirates themselfs.
    Damn Sgt your one smart feller. Everything you have suggested makes so much sense. But Im sure that somehow politics would get in the way of implementing an operation like that. Oh well, I guess well end up doing something stupid like bombing Somoli fishing villages.
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    Re: Should the U.S. Navy shell Somali villages that harbor pirates?

    The last six posts are the best discussion on the subject so far.

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    Re: Should the U.S. Navy shell Somali villages that harbor pirates?

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    ...and I would be satisfied not killing innocent men, women and children. Guess one of us will not be satisfied by the end of this.
    Again ....

    You know nothing about defense, military strategy, or how to end an armed conflict with a bunch of murderous asshats.

    Therefore, you are NOT in a position to state what IS and IS NOT a good idea.

    The Somalis MUST BE TAUGHT to leave cargo vessels alone. This education, while laden with a hefty price, is necessary.

    The world cannot be allowed to suffer because a collection of murderous ****bags insists on harassing commercial shipping traffic.

    This same logic was what caused an armed conflict with Germany during the early 1930s. German U-boats attacked and sank shipping traffic as well as the HMS Lucitania. The result of this action was WAR.

    Again ... the Germans continued their activities until the allies but a foot up their asses.

    The same stance MUST be taken with the somali ****bags.

    If you cannot understand this, TOO DAMN BAD.

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    Re: Should the U.S. Navy shell Somali villages that harbor pirates?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    This same logic was what caused an armed conflict with Germany during the early 1930s. German U-boats attacked and sank shipping traffic as well as the HMS Lucitania. The result of this action was WAR.

    Again ... the Germans continued their activities until the allies but a foot up their asses.
    Um....RMS Lusitania was sunk by a German submarine on May 1, 1915.

    Germany did not engage in commerce raiding again until 1939, after the start of WWII.

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    Re: Should the U.S. Navy shell Somali villages that harbor pirates?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Bloody hell, punish the villagers first. The villagers are the ones getting the benefit of the pirates' ill gotten gains but don't even have the balls to be doing the looting themselves.

    If you give safe haven for pirate scum you should die like pirate scum--grotesquely and horribly.
    Friend,

    One might consider this first. When calling for the random death of 'villagers' one might try placing themselves with becoming a target by such 'shelling' if circumstances in life at birth had allowed one to be a common 'villager' in Somalia instead of what and where one is today. One's views about being randomly shelled by a larger military force sitting off shore might not set too well when hearing shells screeching in on top of one's family. Sometimes we all should reverse roles and put ourselves in other's shoes when wishing random death to others. Just saying.


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    Re: Should the U.S. Navy shell Somali villages that harbor pirates?

    Quote Originally Posted by OutoftheBox View Post
    Friend,

    One might consider this first. When calling for the random death of 'villagers' one might try placing themselves with becoming a target by such 'shelling' if circumstances in life at birth had allowed one to be a common 'villager' in Somalia instead of what and where one is today. One's views about being randomly shelled by a larger military force sitting off shore might not set too well when hearing shells screeching in on top of one's family. Sometimes we all should reverse roles and put ourselves in other's shoes when wishing random death to others. Just saying.
    Friend, I can't stand in anybody shoes but my own. Nor can anyone else, for that matter. That fortune-cookie philosophy doesn't do a damn thing in the real world.

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