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    Re: Should the U.S. Navy shell Somali villages that harbor pirates?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    If they support theives or murderers or live off the proceeds of theives and murderers, THEY ARE THEIVES AND MURDERERS.
    So let me get your foolish logic straight: If I'm poor and I take some money from a man who is a murderer, I am a murderer? Oh God, this is classic!
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    Re: Should the U.S. Navy shell Somali villages that harbor pirates?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    I would be satisfied with bombing the Somali costline until it can no longer be used to lauch water craft.

    This applies to the harbors in these cities as well.
    ...and I would be satisfied not killing innocent men, women and children. Guess one of us will not be satisfied by the end of this.
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    Re: Should the U.S. Navy shell Somali villages that harbor pirates?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    You know that how?

    The only assinine thing here is your tired lack of vision. You defend theives are murderers --- you are as bad as they are.

    Kindly save your hippy diatribes for Berkley town hall meetings and tree-hugging ceremonies!
    Ah, so if someone doesn't want innocents to die, you pull out the anti-Liberal rhetoric. Very mature.
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    Re: Should the U.S. Navy shell Somali villages that harbor pirates?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Another failure on your part.

    You cannot defeat my argument so you're screaming "emotional diatribe".

    You fail sir.
    You do not make arguments. You whine like a child and let your emotions overrun you, causing you to say things like:
    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Shall we call a WAAAAAAAAAMMMBULLLANCE for the pirates and those who provide them safe harbor?

    If the pirates cannot launch boats from those ports, THEY CANNOT COMMIT ACTS OF PIRACY.

    Stop making excuses for your criminal friends. They took an are godless thieves who can surrender and be punished in a civilized manner OR THEY CAN ALL BE DESTROYED.

    Accept it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Says you.

    You know nothing about warfare or national defense.

    Kindly save your hippyish suggestions for Berkley town hall meetings.


    Thanks.
    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    You OF ALL PEOPLE are NEVER ENTITLED to tell somebody else to control THEIR citizens.

    Your homeland is a sewer of terrorists, pirates, criminals, warlords, and islamic corruption.

    You have ZERO business telling Ahmed to control HIS citizens.
    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Stop making excuses for theives and murderers.

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    Cease your latent support for the pirates and those who live off money stolen or extorted from others.
    Wow. Quite an argument you have made there, Champ.
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    Re: Should the U.S. Navy shell Somali villages that harbor pirates?

    Look, I'm about as liberal as Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan. I'm also about as gung-ho as anybody, and I tend to go into "kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out" mode with a little provocation.

    I wouldn't absolutely rule out bombing the coastal towns and villages if it turned out to be a strategic necessity.

    HOWEVER, I think we should seek all other reasonable alternatives to the problem FIRST before doing something that drastic. There are so many things we haven't tried yet that would probably work as well or better, like:

    Increased warship and helo patrols;
    Putting Marines on some merchant vessels, secretly;
    Arming merchant vessels;
    Letters of Marque and Reprisal, authorizing private contractors to protect merchants using armed small craft or combat teams;
    Infiltrating pirate towns with special-ops forces and assassinating any pirates we can ID.

    Let's try all that first and see where we're at.

    If it gets to the point where we have to "shell" them, I'd support the use of precision-guided munitions targeting known pirate compounds (ID'd and marked by Spec-ops ahead of time) rather than indiscriminate shelling. It would keep casualties among non-combatants to a necessary minimum.

    It's an option, ok, but not a preferred one.

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    Re: Should the U.S. Navy shell Somali villages that harbor pirates?

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    Re: Should the U.S. Navy shell Somali villages that harbor pirates?

    I have a better idea. Anyone know a reason why we couldn't use spy satillite technology like the NSA has to keep track of movements and locations of pirates? Have the NSA coordinate with the Navy and intercept pirates who are approaching ships. If they can tell what brand of cigarette your smoking from space surely they could determine who the pirates are by the weapons they carry and where they deploy from.
    Last edited by SgtRock; 04-18-09 at 11:50 AM.
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    Re: Should the U.S. Navy shell Somali villages that harbor pirates?

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I understand Egypt has problems over the concept of soverignty but keep it down when individual Somalis take it into their own hands or control your citizens.
    I dont thonk that its possible to controll all the "citizens", thats why the word "out laws" is invented .

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    Re: Should the U.S. Navy shell Somali villages that harbor pirates?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    You OF ALL PEOPLE are NEVER ENTITLED to tell somebody else to control THEIR citizens.

    Your homeland is a sewer of terrorists, pirates, criminals, warlords, and islamic corruption.

    You have ZERO business telling Ahmed to control HIS citizens.
    Easy dude
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    Re: Should the U.S. Navy shell Somali villages that harbor pirates?

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    I have a better idea. Anyone know a reason why we couldn't use spy satillite technology like the NSA has to keep track of movements and locations of pirates? Have the NSA coordinate with the Navy and intercept pirates who are approaching ships. If they can tell what brand of cigarette your smoking from space surely they could determine who the pirates are by the weapons they carry and where they deploy from.
    Im not sure Sgt. let me give it some thought.
    Last edited by SgtRock; 04-18-09 at 04:19 PM.
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