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    Re: Are marriage licenses good or bad?

    The purpose of marriage is to provide legal and financial incentive for a couple to stay together. This is a necessary condition to provide a stable home environment for children and contributes considerably to providing proper supervision as well.
    Why should providing a stable home environment or proper supervision be the job of the government?

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    Re: Are marriage licenses good or bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Panache View Post
    Why should providing a stable home environment or proper supervision be the job of the government?
    Because it promotes the health and vitality of the nation to do so. Any other institution which is capable of encouraging and supporting marriage should do so as well.

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    Re: Are marriage licenses good or bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Because it promotes the health and vitality of the nation to do so. Any other institution which is capable of encouraging and supporting marriage should do so as well.
    Ya know, he's got a point there.

    Plenty of studies that children do better raised in two-parent homes where Mommy and Daddy stay together. I've had two major examples to look to: my own parents married for life and were together for over 55 years. I on the other hand, am a divorced single father with a child at home, and it's a difficult path to take.

    Divorce rates were so much lower in my parent's generation (Depression/WW2), and I've often wondered why. Legally harder to divorce, and social stigma are two obvious ones, but I've often wondered if there's been a fundamental change in people over the past three generations (boomers, Xers, Y's). Unreasonably high expectations perhaps, coupled with lower tolerance for those expectations not being met. (shrug).

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    Re: Are marriage licenses good or bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Because it promotes the health and vitality of the nation to do so. Any other institution which is capable of encouraging and supporting marriage should do so as well.
    Can the same purpose be achieved by removing marriage to exclusively the religious sphere and establishing civil unions as the government sanction to promote those ends?

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    Re: Are marriage licenses good or bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Can the same purpose be achieved by removing marriage to exclusively the religious sphere and establishing civil unions as the government sanction to promote those ends?
    Possibly. It would depend on civil unions having the same legal, financial, and social pressure to persevere that marriages do.

    Since the legal and social pressures are nearly non-existent and the financial pressures entirely one-sided... well, it wouldn't take a lot for civil unions to be just as effective as modern marriages.

    I really don't care what we call it. I just wish it were more difficult to dissolve.

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    Re: Are marriage licenses good or bad?

    Because it promotes the health and vitality of the nation to do so. Any other institution which is capable of encouraging and supporting marriage should do so as well.
    I imagine that it would promote the health and vitality of the nation if everyone mastered Tai Chi and drank V8. Does that mean it is the governments job to provide legal and financial incentives to do so?

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    Re: Are marriage licenses good or bad?

    Since the legal and social pressures are nearly non-existent and the financial pressures entirely one-sided... well, it wouldn't take a lot for civil unions to be just as effective as modern marriages.

    I really don't care what we call it. I just wish it were more difficult to dissolve.
    I agree that they should be harder to dissolve. I think that if "till death do us part" is part of the contract, then the the contract should be binding for as long as both parties are still alive, or until they mutually agree to a renegotiated contract.

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    Re: Are marriage licenses good or bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Panache View Post
    I agree that they should be harder to dissolve. I think that if "till death do us part" is part of the contract, then the the contract should be binding for as long as both parties are still alive, or until they mutually agree to a renegotiated contract.

    Hm. I think that would increase the rates of both murder and suicide.

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    Re: Are marriage licenses good or bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Panache View Post
    I imagine that it would promote the health and vitality of the nation if everyone mastered Tai Chi and drank V8. Does that mean it is the governments job to provide legal and financial incentives to do so?
    I don't know. Do you think universal mastery of Tai Chi and consumption of V8 would provide as much social benefit as having the majority of children grow up in homes with both of their parents? And do you think it's possible to provide meaningful incentives to do these things without spending an inordinate amount of money or unduly imposing in peoples' lives?

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    Re: Are marriage licenses good or bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Ya know, he's got a point there.

    Plenty of studies that children do better raised in two-parent homes where Mommy and Daddy stay together. I've had two major examples to look to: my own parents married for life and were together for over 55 years. I on the other hand, am a divorced single father with a child at home, and it's a difficult path to take.

    Divorce rates were so much lower in my parent's generation (Depression/WW2), and I've often wondered why. Legally harder to divorce, and social stigma are two obvious ones, but I've often wondered if there's been a fundamental change in people over the past three generations (boomers, Xers, Y's). Unreasonably high expectations perhaps, coupled with lower tolerance for those expectations not being met. (shrug).
    A contract isn't required for 'mommy and daddy' to stay together. So that's really not a reason for said contracts.

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