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Are we an arrogant country?

Are we an Arrogant country?


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What a pile of absurd bile; come back when you want to be serious and act like an adult. :roll:

I'm waiting for you to do it, but I suppose that's too much to ask.
 
He dodged your question and then called me a troll when I pointed it out. What else is new?

How trite watching you two pretend that either one of you had anything substantive to say. Lest we forget the inane comments from Cephus and think that they were serious, here is the exchange again lest you continue to wander off the topic with your baiting and trolling:

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Once more, the notion that the US self elected itself requires willful ignorance or the willing suspension of disbelief.

Really? Who elected us then? When was this amazing world-wide election held? What were the results? Because I don't know what happened in your reality, but in the one most people live in, that's not how it happened.

If you think Cephus was attempting to make a coherent argument, there's a bridge in Arizona I would like to sell you.

You just can't help yourself can you? Carry on. :rofl
 
The U.S. has been and continues to be a global leader in culture.
;)

You have got to be joking right? Culture, what culture? McDonald's on every corner:rofl

Seriously, whilst on my Hols in Florida last year i did not meet an arrogant American. Just polite, considerate and curtius:cool:

I think the arrogance comes from a political elite extremely detracted from everyday life, living in there insular bubble oblivious to the complexities of being the world leader.

Paul
 
Ok. The rest of the world thinks we suck, we're arrogant and pushy, etc.

Fine.

Here's the plan:

All the troops are coming home. Every single one. All overseas military bases will be closed. This starts tomorrow. No more foreign wars, no more hated US military in your country, we're out of the world-policeman biz.

Oh, I'm sorry...you haven't had to provide your own security for decades because of the US, now you don't have a military worth mentioning and you're worried? Deal with it; pay for your own defense. Your local economy depends on that US air base? Too bad. Got an oppressive dictator who is threatening his neighbors, and you'd like him to be gone if you had the military might and the nerve? Sorry, we don't do that anymore, deal with it yourself. We're tired of being accused of meddling.


All foreign aid ends tomorrow. Not another penny, not for anyone. We'll gladly trade with you as long as the terms are equitable, but we are not throwing our own money out there for charity anymore. We have to put our own house in order first... and besides, you might think our aid was condecending.

Next hurricane, tsunami, earthquake? Don't expect to see a US Carrier group come to your aid. No US helicopters dropping water, food, medical supplies, tents. No billions in US emergency aid. You're on your own, we don't meddle anymore.

The next Hitler that rises to power (and there will be one, if we're not around to smack him down before he gets going), the world can deal with him without us. We'll sit WW3 out, thanks. After all, if we rode to the rescue you might think we were arrogant.

Wonder how that would go over?

Like a lead zeppelin methinks...


G.

Considering most of the World is subjugated by your Foreign and economic policy i,m sure it wont be as bad as all that.

And for good measure we have never been closer to WW111 because of the previous American President, just keeping things in context before the patriotic whooping takes over from intelligent reality.


Paul
 
You have got to be joking right? Culture, what culture? McDonald's on every corner:rofl

Seriously, whilst on my Hols in Florida last year i did not meet an arrogant American. Just polite, considerate and curtius:cool:

I think the arrogance comes from a political elite extremely detracted from everyday life, living in there insular bubble oblivious to the complexities of being the world leader.

Paul

That's a wonderfully insightful statement. I could make equally insightful statements about the cultural value of fish and chips, or of Susan Boyle, but we'd all take them for the irrelevant and cheap shots that they'd be.

Let's go back to my statement, which was, specifically, that the U.S. continues to be a leader in world culture. Notice I didn't say 'the' leader, but 'a' leader, which leaves open the possibility that other cultures have value as well. But just for a moment lets take your counterpoint at face value and assume that the U.S. is NOT 'a' leader in world culture... perhaps you could enlighten us as to which nations are the leaders of world culture.

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I'm not so sure we the people are arrogant as much as our politicians seem to be. Our politicians portray arrogant behavior to the rest of the world and therefore the rest of the world think we the people must be arrogant as well.
 
I'm not so sure we the people are arrogant as much as our politicians seem to be. Our politicians portray arrogant behavior to the rest of the world and therefore the rest of the world think we the people must be arrogant as well.

The reality is that if you're bigger, stronger, and wealthier... people will consider you arrogant.

Our politicians are no different than politicians anywhere else in the world.

;)
 
In terms of so-called American exceptionalism, I believe that to be arrogance.

Although, I think often, you have to have a level of arrogance, just so long as it doesn't extend towards ignorance and bullying.
 
to the original question, yes, i believe america is indeed a bit arrogant. we do help other countries, but at the same time we believe we can end the world's suffering. yet look at us now, we're going into another depression. we never thought we'd be in iraq for what, 6-7 years now? we may have done some good, but not nearly as much as we thought we would, and definently not as easily as we thought we would. and a country that is as powerful as ours is bound to think we're better than we actually are, so its possible that when our country falls, which will most likely be from the inside-civil war or something as such, other countries such as britian or france could come at us while weak, and then we wouldnt be so arrogant. as it is, we dont believe anyone could defeat us, yet what would have happened if we went to war during the civil war?
 
I'm not going to wade through this whole thread. But here is my two cents. Yes, we are an arrogant nation as the typical mindset of our elected officials has historically been one of "America first regardless of the cost to others." Our foreign policy since the end of WW2 has really reflected this for the most part. We owe some apologies. We aren't the devil, not be any means. But we've done our share of manipulative **** and went out of our way remove self determination from the hands of some nations. South and Central America and the Middle East come to mind.

The premise of this thread addressing the Obama World Apology Tour is bull****. It's specifically designed to criticize Obama's efforts to counter years of failed foreign policy and restore our image internationally as a benevolent superpower. The thread author has even referred to it as a Bash America Tour. This couldn't be more wrong.
 
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Obama on his US World Apology tour, recently stated that we are an arrogant country.

Questions:

Are we?

What do you think of Obama's statements?

He is absolutely correct. The proof of that is displayed right here in this post. The phrase US World Apology tour says it right off. It shows me that Americans resent ever admitting that they did anything wrong. If they made a list it would wrap around the globe but the apology list as far as Americans are concerned would be blank.
 
Obama on his US World Apology tour, recently stated that we are an arrogant country.

Questions:

Are we?

What do you think of Obama's statements?

We most certainly have been. I think Obama is trying to change that image of us, in a positive and productive way.
 
I'm not going to wade through this whole thread. But here is my two cents. Yes, we are an arrogant nation as the typical mindset of our elected officials has historically been one of "America first regardless of the cost to others." Our foreign policy since the end of WW2 has really reflected this for the most part. We owe some apologies. We aren't the devil, not be any means. But we've done our share of manipulative **** and went out of our way remove self determination from the hands of some nations. South and Central America and the Middle East come to mind.

The premise of this thread addressing the Obama World Apology Tour is bull****. It's specifically designed to criticize Obama's efforts to counter years of failed foreign policy and restore our image internationally as a benevolent superpower. The thread author has even referred to it as a Bash America Tour. This couldn't be more wrong.

What a trite commentary considering the FACT that the ONLY reason for any deterioration in the perceptions the world may have of us has been the tireless campaign of ignorance from the likes of the New York Times, the rest of the Liberal press and the Liberal Democrats who have made it their career trashing US President and proclaiming the Iraq War as a loss before the fight is even finished for purely hyper partisan political purposes.

One cannot fabricate the level of asinine ignorance and hypocrisy it must take to be a Liberal these days.

Now with their dude in power, suddenly the gloves must all come off and we need to ALL agree with Liberals and work TOGETHER.

Can anyone take this kind of crapola serious? REALLY? :rofl
 
He is absolutely correct. The proof of that is displayed right here in this post. The phrase US World Apology tour says it right off. It shows me that Americans resent ever admitting that they did anything wrong. If they made a list it would wrap around the globe but the apology list as far as Americans are concerned would be blank.

Should we also apologize for Liberating Europe? How about apologize for Liberating Asia? Better yet, let's apologize for being the world's police because the UN has become a feckless waste of time and the Europeans have had their heads so deeply imbedded in the ass of thugs like Saddam that they cannot extricate their heads from it.

While we Americans are at it, let's also apologize for the Liberation of Kuwait; after all, if we had just left that mess alone, the world would be a much better place, 9-11 would never have occurred and we wouldn't be trying to promote Democracy in Afghanistan and Iraq; they could still be despotic regimes that treat their neighbors and citizens like crap.

I think we also need to apologize to the Indonesian people whom we desperately tried to help after the Tsunami.

Maybe we should also apologize for the Imperialist Europeans for creating the mess we have in the Middle East because we didn't get involved soon enough to prevent their attempts to subjugate the world to their imperialistic ambitions seeing that they are too HUMBLE to do it for themselves.

I just love a good bash America thread don't you?
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We most certainly have been. I think Obama is trying to change that image of us, in a positive and productive way.

The ONLY image Obama will leave of the USA is the impending economic disaster of what was left of our economy and a feckless foreign policy that encourages the despots who hate us to plot more attacks.

But hey, let me apologize first and foremost for stepping on your profound denial by suggesting that Obama is nothing more than a naive inexperienced Community Organizer with absurd notions about how the REAL world works.

Please accept my apologies for he is, after all, THE ONE. That moron who fooled EVERYONE smarter than him into a War of Choice in Iraq made me do it. :2wave:
 
The ONLY image Obama will leave of the USA is the impending economic disaster of what was left of our economy and a feckless foreign policy that encourages the despots who hate us to plot more attacks.

But hey, let me apologize first and foremost for stepping on your profound denial by suggesting that Obama is nothing more than a naive inexperienced Community Organizer with absurd notions about how the REAL world works.

Please accept my apologies for he is, after all, THE ONE. That moron who fooled EVERYONE smarter than him into a War of Choice in Iraq made me do it. :2wave:

i beg to differ. The saying goes, you can get more bees with honey, than with vinegar. We've had nothing but industrial strength vinegar ever since 2001...alienated practically everybody ('cept Britain), due to our arrogance and unilateralism. Obama is making overtures (not appeasement) to Islamic countries, being tougher with policy as it applies to Israel (something long overdue), and using diplomacy instead of threats and insults. A welcome change from 8 years of failed foreign policy and quite frankly, a failed domestic policy. The worst presidency in American History, hands down.
Why do you suppose Obama has such high poll numbers and Republicans have such low poll numbers...are Americans, or more specifically, the American voters, all of a sudden, lunatics?
 
The ONLY image Obama will leave of the USA is the impending economic disaster of what was left of our economy and a feckless foreign policy that encourages the despots who hate us to plot more attacks.

His presidency is not over, so you cannot say what will happen is true.
 
....ever since 2001...alienated practically everybody ('cept Britain), due to our arrogance and unilateralism.

You cannot back up this false assertion with any facts. It is merely a "Liberal" perception which has been reinforced by a campaign of ignorance led by the New York Times against a President they never liked and thought stole the election from their man in 2000.

Obama is making overtures (not appeasement) to Islamic countries, being tougher with policy as it applies to Israel (something long overdue), and using diplomacy instead of threats and insults. A welcome change from 8 years of failed foreign policy and quite frankly, a failed domestic policy. The worst presidency in American History, hands down.

Last time I looked, Iran told Obama to pound sand.

Last time I looked, North Korea told Obama to pound sand.

Are you living in the same world I live in?

Why do you suppose Obama has such high poll numbers and Republicans have such low poll numbers...are Americans, or more specifically, the American voters, all of a sudden, lunatics?

Okay let me be sure I understand this; you think HIGH opinion polls are an indicator of leadership?

Did you know that Congressional Democrats have lower polling numbers than Bush did? What does that tell you?

How high do you think those numbers will be this time next year? I can give you a guess; not much higher than Bush's and they may even go below Bush's numbers by the end of his first term.

But again, the thing I liked about Bush is that he was a leader and didn't make decision by sticking a finger into the wind and trying to figure out what was easy an popular.

Obama doesn't either, he just happens to be clueless of the disaster his policies are going to be.
 
His presidency is not over, so you cannot say what will happen is true.

Of course I cannot; it is pure speculation on my part based on the REALITIES of how his Liberal policies will bankrupt this nation and expose us to possible threats from our enemies.
 
We are too great of a country to be arrogant!
 
You cannot back up this false assertion with any facts. It is merely a "Liberal" perception which has been reinforced by a campaign of ignorance led by the New York Times against a President they never liked and thought stole the election from their man in 2000.

Really? Liberal perception, is it?? The fact that George Bush was more of a pawn than a strategist, is beside the point.
BBC NEWS | Middle East | Toxic world fallout from Iraq invasion
The diplomatic fallout

As for America's standing around the world, the war alienated some major American allies, France and Germany most notably. Others did send troops after the invasion - Spain and Italy among them - but then left as public opinions at home turned hostile.


On the other hand, a number of smaller countries, many of them from the former Soviet block, saw an opportunity to show their loyalty to the US and sent contingents - the Czech Republic, Poland, Georgia and others. For them, a strong and active United States bodes well for their future security.

In turn, Britain's support for the United States has led to further divisions within Europe. These had an impact in the Lisbon treaty talks about a future foreign policy for the EU, strengthening the British determination to keep it firmly in the hands of individual governments.

The invasion of Iraq also caused alarm bells to ring in Russia. There, a new mood of hostility to the West has developed and the Russians have become wary of American power.

Nor has Iraq sparked the democratic revolution in the Middle East that Mr Bush hoped for. And the Israeli/Palestinian conflict remains unresolved.

Ironically it is Iran, with which the US shares a mutual hostility, that has emerged with greater strength, to the concern of the Gulf Arab states.

The fallout continues.
The Magazine of Future Warfare
......Bremer also alienated Iraqis as he "privatized" Iraq's national industries, although "piratized" is a more accurate term. Iraqi industries were given away to American corporations, with American oil companies first in line. Bremer also awarded numerous "no bid" contracts to insider companies like Dick Cheney's Halliburton. The waste and corruption was so bad that the US Army Comptroller recently testified before Congress that it was the worst he had seen in his career. The plunder was so blatant that there is no accounting for billions of dollars in hundred dollar bills that were flown in by the planeload and disappeared.

The fact that it(the Iraq War) was unjustified, illegal according to international laws and treaties, opposed by the UN, opposed by most US allies, bad for the war on terror, and disastrous for the Iraqi people, American taxpayer, America's image, and devastating to hundreds of thousands of American soldiers and their families are minor concerns.



Last time I looked, Iran told Obama to pound sand.

Last time I looked, North Korea told Obama to pound sand.

Are you living in the same world I live in?

Please. Other than 'saber-rattling" at Iran and totally ignoring the threat that N.Korea represented, Bush was "out to lunch".....all talk and no action.

In regards to Obama:
Obama Reaches Out to Iran, Looks for Engagement - First 100 Days of Presidency - Politics FOXNews.com

Obama Condemns N. Korea Missile Launch, Vows to Pursue Missile Defense in Europe - First 100 Days of Presidency - Politics FOXNews.com

More than what Bush did.



Okay let me be sure I understand this; you think HIGH opinion polls are an indicator of leadership?

No, they are reflections of Americans view of leadership

Did you know that Congressional Democrats have lower polling numbers than Bush did? What does that tell you?

Tells me that the Democrats in Congress have yet to step up to the plate, in the fashion of Obama....but Congressional Republicans are viewed even more negatively. What does that tell you?


How high do you think those numbers will be this time next year? I can give you a guess; not much higher than Bush's and they may even go below Bush's numbers by the end of his first term.

Anything can happen....and likely, "will". Nothing is guaranteed. But I predict, that Obama will not be at his "wit's end", unlike Bush, and will respond to challenges, "presidentially".

But again, the thing I liked about Bush is that he was a leader and didn't make decision by sticking a finger into the wind and trying to figure out what was easy an popular.

Bush was the opposite of a leader, who inspired only those in the base of his own party. Everyone knows, or suspects that Cheney was the puller of Bush's strings, as he possesses the intellect of a rock.

Obama doesn't either, he just happens to be clueless of the disaster his policies are going to be.

Wishful thinking on your part. Rather than predicting the future...why not be patient, and cognizant?
 
Obama on his US World Apology tour, recently stated that we are an arrogant country.

Questions:

Are we?

What do you think of Obama's statements?

Yes absolutely we are. We're not just arrogant, we're ignorant and proud of it.
 
Yes, America is, IMO, very arrogant.

I'm frankly surprised our "high and mighty" aka "holier than thou" attitude as a nation hasn't found us knee-deep in invasions by other countries who would just love to shut us up and knock us down a peg or two.

-k
 
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