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    Re: Are we an arrogant country?

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    Well you said it so it must be true.

    Damn liberals!! They are always the root cause of evil in this world!!!!!!!!



    Could you be a bit more detailed so I can take your position seriously?
    This coming from the person making these comments?

    Quote: Originally Posted by scourge99
    Nicaragua, Honduras, Panama, Iraq, Lebanon, Somali, Georgia, phillipines, Haiti, Columbia, arab-Israeli conflicts, Grenada, Cuba.

    We are big on doing things "my way or the highway ". All for the fighting of communism/terrorism/democracy of course.


    Your posts always smack of profound irony Scourge. Carry on.

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    Re: Are we an arrogant country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    This coming from the person making these comments?

    Quote: Originally Posted by scourge99
    Nicaragua, Honduras, Panama, Iraq, Lebanon, Somali, Georgia, phillipines, Haiti, Columbia, arab-Israeli conflicts, Grenada, Cuba.

    We are big on doing things "my way or the highway ". All for the fighting of communism/terrorism/democracy of course.


    Your posts always smack of profound irony Scourge. Carry on.
    LaMid understood and gave a valid legitimate response free of rhetoric and with defensible statements. Perhaps an old fogey like you could learn something from him?

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    Re: Are we an arrogant country?

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    LaMid understood and gave a valid legitimate response free of rhetoric and with defensible statements. Perhaps an old fogey like you could learn something from him?

    You are wasting what little life you have left old man. Carry on DENIED.
    Once again I see little substance but plenty of intellectually insulting hyperbole.

    Carry on.

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    Re: Are we an arrogant country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    How did we recently earn the title of being the most arrogant in Liberals minds? By having a President who had the audacity to enforce UN resolutions on Iraq and who actually did what he says he is going to do. What a shocker.
    There's a lot more truth to this than most here will admit. The 'arrogance' of the U.S. seems to be complained about most by liberals at home and abroad when we have a president with an (R) behind his name. Funny how that works.


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    Re: Are we an arrogant country?

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    LaMid understood and gave a valid legitimate response free of rhetoric and with defensible statements. Perhaps an old fogey like you could learn something from him?
    A synopsis of abject nonsense, my favorite of course is the absurd notion that Nassar was a US ally, that one is a doozy. Perhaps a history lesson is in order so that you won’t continue making such outrageously absurd comments in a vacuum of facts and the truth:

    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamal_Abdel_Nasser]Gamal Abdel Nasser - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

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    Hell Yeeeeeaaaahhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    When you ARE number 1 you're obligated to talk **** and live it up like you ARE #1!!!!

    !!!U S A! USA! U S A!!!

    Our pres is doing a great job brown nosing the world while perpetuating the same foundations of Bush's, Clintons' and previous presidents foreign policy; same book, different cover. But just ignore that and let us mesmerize you with his pretty speeches and charming mantras. Its worked so far! "Change" "Hope" "Peace"

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    Nicaragua, Honduras, Panama, Iraq, Lebanon, Somali, Georgia, phillipines, Haiti, Columbia, arab-Israeli conflicts, Grenada, Cuba.

    We are big on doing things "my way or the highway ". All for the fighting of communism/terrorism/democracy of course.

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    But it was arrogant to go into gulf war 2 with a "coalition of the willing" despite the politics, wouldn't you say?

    Reagen era: despite the fact that we opened the door to Israel who then made a mess of things and then we stood by and watched as the mess we created created a civilian slaughter?

    So that proves something?

    true. But in hindsight it appears we were a bit too arrogant in addressing Russias concerns.

    don't know enough about it to comment much.

    same reason we are all over S America.

    Nasir and Egypt were our ally until we took an unflinching pro-israeli stance in the 6-day war. Nasir did the only rationale thing and opened his arms to the Soviets. By failing to moderate our approach we poisoned our relationship with the Arabs. Such disdain is still present today and we are reaping what we sowed.

    so we can do no evil? All is fair? We've failed PATHETICALLY with Cuba. I don't know if another strategy would work better but I do know our goals have not been achieved.
    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    So supporting despots in S america is justified? Bombing cities to find one man that results in thousands of deaths is justified? Standing by and watching civilians get slaughtered because our preisdent was too scared for his political career to do anything about it is justified?
    That an intentionally vague enemy of communism and terrorism is a viable reason for any action for any administration?

    Some actions were reasonable and justified. Some were not. We are not an infallible beacon of righteuosness nor are we the Great Satan. Own up to and admit our mistakes and wrong doings while praising and glorifying our noble accomplishments. That is all.
    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    so when you can't respond to arguments you attack the poster? Petty and childish.

    You'll be ignored until you can respond rationally.
    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    If it wasn't apparent why all of those countries were mentioned then there's no point in me continuing the discussion with you. Obviously another poster, LaMidRighter, understood the post. Perhaps you should consult his response for some clues.
    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    The first post wasn't an argument. It was a personal opinion that was made in jest. *could you not tell by the obvious hyperbole and ridiculous emoticons* I guess not.

    The second post was a serious argument supported by historical events which was enitely seperated and unrelated to the first post.


    The perceived hypocrisy that you falsely believe exists does nothing to address the arguments. Try again.

    You are wasting your time and mine.
    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    Not necessarily. Any number of events could of made Saddam irrelevant. Clinton put half-hearted efforts into undermining the man but like JFK got cold feet and botched the whole thing culminating in the failed 1996 attempt making Saddam clear his ranks of any perceived loyalty and destroying all intelligence sources for the near future.

    But we made the situation far worse. We hold the reins on Israel and the only thing stopping a president from using them is backlash from the pro-Israel lobby in the US.

    Israel had hedged their bets that the Christian militia could establish dominance and thus a friendly government in Lebanon could be established. However, things did not goes as planned. The result was the Christian militia slaughtering civilian Muslims claiming that they were PLO all while Israeli forces guarded the doors and the US military watched from the seas.

    In the end the Israel achieved a momentary reprieve from PLO and Hezbollah assault but sowed the seeds for future attacks by so effectively dismantling the government of Lebanon leaving a civil war to rage for the next decade where Hezbollah would eventually return in strength.

    I think it was probably a good thing. Re-reading it, it should be off the list I created.

    Were are talking about Georgia right?

    And now the Arabs are left without a leader who could of brought wide ranging peace and stability. Nasir was this hope.

    ME conflict has been around intensely since post WW2.

    I don't really have a solution. I wouldn't want the country to get stronger but it sucks punishing the people.

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    I'm saying that its common procedure to establish a vague enemy so that tertiary goals can be achieved under its guise.

    That is, declare a "war on terror" and anybody that participates in terror (which includes just about any country with a military or intelligence agency) and you've got a lot of public support whenever you use your buzzword.

    Grenada - Communists! Democracy!

    Iraq - Terrorists! Democracy!

    Panama - Drugs! Democracy!

    The list goes on.

    This is not to say that many of these conflicts are not justifiable or needed but merely that the propaganda is... well, propaganda. The facts come later.... sometimes much later. Democracy!
    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    Well you said it so it must be true.

    Damn liberals!! They are always the root cause of evil in this world!!!!!!!!



    Could you be a bit more detailed so I can take your position seriously?
    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    LaMid understood and gave a valid legitimate response free of rhetoric and with defensible statements. Perhaps an old fogey like you could learn something from him?

    You are wasting what little life you have left old man. Carry on DENIED.

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    Re: Are we an arrogant country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar
    You don't agree that freedom is better than slavery?
    That depends. I tend to think that people get the form of government they deserve. If people are not willing to fight against the slavery in their own backyard, then they deserve to be slaves. For decades now, the U.S. has run around like the world's policeman, forcing everyone to play by *OUR* rules, screw what the local populations want or are willing to fight for. The U.S. and USSR played a global game of chess, moving pieces who didn't volunteer to be pawns around to gain the best political advantage for the players, rarely to the pieces being moved.

    Also, we did what we needed to to do survive the threat the Soviet Union presented to us.
    Which demonstrable threat was that? And don't bother going with the "we had to make the world safe for democracy!" line.

    Should we have let the Soviets conquer Afghanland, and thus have Russian troops on Iran's south eastern border, or should we have assisted the people who lived there who wanted to resist the invaders?
    If they specifically asked us for help, then by all means, we ought to do so. But we didn't, not directly, we backed local warlords with U.S. funding and weapons and that decision came back to bite us, as so many of these propped up regimes have done.

    There's a lot of "oh no, they MIGHT do this if we let them do that..." nonsense going on, a lot of imagined motives and future actions with little or no substantive evidence to back them up. The U.S. needs to stop treating the rest of the planet as it's support system, we're part of a global economic and political system, we're not the top dog that requires everyone else to bow down to us and offer us offerings.
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    Re: Are we an arrogant country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Which demonstrable threat was that? And don't bother going with the "we had to make the world safe for democracy!" line.
    Putting missiles in Cuba was a demonstrable threat.

    Khrushchev's "We will bury you" rhetoric was a demonstrable threat.

    Invading Afghanistan was a demonstrable threat to the West's access to the Persian Gulf states.

    Stealing US nuclear weapons secrets and technology was a demonstrable threat.

    Stealing US submarine technology was a demonstrable threat.

    How many demonstrable threats are needed to acknowledge that someone desires to be your enemy?

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    Re: Are we an arrogant country?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    How many demonstrable threats are needed to acknowledge that someone desires to be your enemy?
    What you're failing to understand, celticlord, is that if you have a perceived enemy, the appropriate steps are as follows:

    a. Do nothing until they do something 'really' bad. That way you are certain they are angry at us.

    b. After they do something 'really' bad, gather together our friends and allies to discuss the situation and gauge their feelings.

    c. Do a bit of soul-searching, and come to a better understanding of 'why' they hate us.

    d. Acknowledge our past mistakes and offenses. Apologize.

    e. Having given our friends and allies time to gauge their feelings, call upon them to act with us forcefully by boycotting the Special Olympics, and call upon the American people to carpool to work in order to reduce oil imports.

    f. After praying on the matter for almost a year... launch a few cruise missiles at tampon factories as a clear, demonstrable, and overwhelming show of military might.

    Did I miss anything?

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    Re: Are we an arrogant country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    What you're failing to understand, celticlord, is that if you have a perceived enemy, the appropriate steps are as follows:

    a. Do nothing until they do something 'really' bad. That way you are certain they are angry at us.

    b. After they do something 'really' bad, gather together our friends and allies to discuss the situation and gauge their feelings.

    c. Do a bit of soul-searching, and come to a better understanding of 'why' they hate us.

    d. Acknowledge our past mistakes and offenses. Apologize.

    e. Having given our friends and allies time to gauge their feelings, call upon them to act with us forcefully by boycotting the Special Olympics, and call upon the American people to carpool to work in order to reduce oil imports.

    f. After praying on the matter for almost a year... launch a few cruise missiles at tampon factories as a clear, demonstrable, and overwhelming show of military might.

    Did I miss anything?

    The appropriate steps for an enemy, perceived or otherwise:
    1. To maintain my own honor, tell said enemy that peace will be achieved through one of two paths: him ending his opposition to me or me killing him.
    2. If said enemy ends his opposition, offer him my right hand while keeping my left hand on my weapon.
    3. If said enemy does not end his opposition, kill him.

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    Re: Are we an arrogant country?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    The appropriate steps for an enemy, perceived or otherwise:
    1. To maintain my own honor, tell said enemy that peace will be achieved through one of two paths: him ending his opposition to me or me killing him.
    2. If said enemy ends his opposition, offer him my right hand while keeping my left hand on my weapon.
    3. If said enemy does not end his opposition, kill him.
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