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    Re: Are we an arrogant country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    Or maybe the Soviet Union and Communism would still be on the march around the world...

    We won. I'm not making any apologies. And I won't second guess any of it.

    I'll just make this observation:

    The team that wins the Superbowl doesn't make any blather about "it doesn't matter who wins, it's how you play the game".

    The Communists are still babbling about winning not being important.

    The good guys won, the left lost.

    That what really counts, that, and making sure the left doesn't win the peace.

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    Re: Are we an arrogant country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Obama on his US World Apology tour, recently stated that we are an arrogant country.

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    Are we?

    What do you think of Obama's statements?
    I find Obama's statements extremely offensive, naive and very misguided.

    If you compare our nations policies versus those of former and present Communist nations along with most of Europe’s, you find that we are perhaps the least arrogant when it comes to foreign policy.

    Suggesting that America is arrogant is about as idiotic and suggesting that our troops lost the fight in Iraq. But when it comes to Liberals, since when did REALITY or the FACTS get in the way of their lunatic diatribe.


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    Re: Are we an arrogant country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    I want to thank you for posting this, because its a good example of the arrogance that the President talked about overseas. I really don't mean to criticize you, I just think its very convenient that you said this.

    President Obama compared these statements of American arrogance to the ignorance and sometimes the attitude the Europeans have towards Americans. I think its about time our President has come out and said this.

    Wherever I have lived I have always said that Americans are sometimes arrogant. But its not like we are that way all the time, I love this country, and one reason I love it is because we can have our leader go overseas and admit something that his own people are sometimes afraid to admit. These people are so afraid they are then quick to label our leader's remarks as, like you said, "horrendous" or something to that extent.

    Unfortunately, Reverend_Hellhound, in the only way that he knows how, has made an unfair poll, something I have done time and again. I don't think our country is arrogant, but we are also not modest, so it can't be dealt with in absolutes. We are not necessarily an arrogant country in general, but I think we can be called arrogant.

    I'm also not saying we should do things like pull out of world diplomacy completely, this would be wrong. We are powerful enough a country to be almost "policing" the world, but along with this power comes the arrogance of some Americans.
    I say this to you and many other Liberals all over the world:

    When you look at the historical arrogance of England, France, Germany the former Soviet Union, Saddam's Iraq, Syria, Iran, Japan (along with their profound racism) and China, what Americans represent pales in comparison.

    In order to have a world view that is so myopic and distorted one has to be wallowing in willful denial or historical ignorance.

    The United States has been the most forgiving nation in the world. The United States has been the largest promoter of freedom in the world. The United States has been the most GIVING/GENEROUS nation in the world.

    How did we recently earn the title of being the most arrogant in Liberals minds? By having a President who had the audacity to enforce UN resolutions on Iraq and who actually did what he says he is going to do. What a shocker.

    But alas, Liberals are happy now; America has a Community Organizer empty shirt to fulfill the role of a lot of talk, with very little substance who desperately wants to turn the Community Organization of the United States into a follower of European folly and hand over the tough decisions to a UN body that is feckless and useless at best and infested with a mind set that cow tows to despots and impugns free nations for being perceived "arrogant."

    You cannot fabricate the level of ignorance it takes to have such views; but given enough time, and allowing Liberals to infest our education systems with such blatant disregard for reality, and the historic truth, soon all nations will be led by ingrates who comprehend little in the way of free markets, capital formation and how to negotiate with terrorist, despots, dictators or tyrants.

    Is it any wonder that the people who seem most pleased with this Community Organizer are the very enemies of America the previous LEADER sought to protect us from.

    America is arrogant? Hardly when contrasted with the other world powers on the globe. But to Liberals, it is an arrogant thing to lead a coalition into Iraq to depose a tyrant and instill a freely elected Government and make the sacrifice to create two new Democracies in the Middle East.

    To those in the rest of the world who choose to insult us with that label, I say this; before you suggest that we Americans are “arrogant”, perhaps a good long look in the historical mirror would do you some good.

    I find it particularly distasteful when I see former European allies and former European enemies take such stances after all America did after the world war to ensure they were free from tyranny and became prosperous democracies. Frances actions in particular represents the greatest arrogance and thankless behavior bar none; particularly when we look at it’s former attempts at “empire building” and it’s failures in Asia, Africa and the Middle East. England and Germany is a close second and third. Russia’s actions speak for themselves but go beyond arrogance and actually represent tyranny.

    Carry on.

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    mad Re: Are we an arrogant country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    I find Obama's statements extremely offensive, naive and very misguided.

    If you compare our nations policies versus those of former and present Communist nations along with most of Europe’s, you find that we are perhaps the least arrogant when it comes to foreign policy.

    Suggesting that America is arrogant is about as idiotic and suggesting that our troops lost the fight in Iraq. But when it comes to Liberals, since when did REALITY or the FACTS get in the way of their lunatic diatribe.

    i too find them offensive ,especially coming from someone who possibly was not born a natural citizen. but then thats a diff. post. i do know that most of the europeans owe us a great debt for what we have done for them in the past, and if they think we are arrogant,they should consider where they would have been without us.

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    Re: Are we an arrogant country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    I find Obama's statements extremely offensive, naive and very misguided.

    If you compare our nations policies versus those of former and present Communist nations along with most of Europe’s, you find that we are perhaps the least arrogant when it comes to foreign policy.
    Well you said it so it must be true.

    Suggesting that America is arrogant is about as idiotic and suggesting that our troops lost the fight in Iraq. But when it comes to Liberals, since when did REALITY or the FACTS get in the way of their lunatic diatribe.

    Damn liberals!! They are always the root cause of evil in this world!!!!!!!!



    Could you be a bit more detailed so I can take your position seriously?
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    Questioning or criticizing another's core beliefs is inadvertently perceived as offensive and rude.

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    Re: Are we an arrogant country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    The full quote was:
    "There have been times where Americans have shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive; but in Europe there is an anti-Americanism that is at once casual but can also be insidious."

    He was speaking to the evils of arrogance worldwide... and he didn't say America is an arrogant nation, he said that Americans at times have shown arrogance. Big difference.

    Nice though.
    The full quote was:

    "In America, there is a failure to appreciate Europe's leading role in the world. Instead of celebrating your dynamic union and seeking to partner with you to meet common challenges, there have been times where America has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive. "

    Then he went on to suggest that:

    "But in Europe, there is an anti-Americanism that is at once casual, but can also be insidious. Instead of recognizing the good that America so often does in the world, there have been times where Europeans choose to blame America for much of what is bad. On both sides of the Atlantic, these attitudes have become all too common. They are not wise. They do not represent the truth. They threaten to widen the divide across the Atlantic and leave us both more isolated. They fail to acknowledge the fundamental truth that America cannot confront the challenges of this century alone, but that Europe cannot confront them without America."

    Does the underlined sound familiar? The DNC promoted this notion in their campaign of ignorance on the Bush Administration. The irony of such comments is that the very people who promoted such anti-American rabid anti-Bush attitudes in the first place for purely partisan political purposes to regain the power they so desperately felt they are entitled to now want to turn the tables and suggest that the world forgets all the good we have done. How trite and convenient. The DNC and Liberal media even went so far as to campaign on the idea that we were defeated in Iraq, in a quagmire, and that we were criminal in our conduct and even perhaps that Bush had lied to get us into Iraq.

    How ironic that now that Democrats infest all areas of Government, they now want to suggest to Europe that they should set aside the attitudes promoted by American Liberals now that Liberals are in charge here and willing to hand over our leadership to Europe and the UN.

    Carry on.

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    Re: Are we an arrogant country?

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    Nicaragua, Honduras, Panama, Iraq, Lebanon, Somali, Georgia, phillipines, Haiti, Columbia, arab-Israeli conflicts, Grenada, Cuba.

    We are big on doing things "my way or the highway ". All for the fighting of communism/terrorism/democracy of course.
    So let me understand this; you think Communist arrogance and domination is fine, but our efforts to prevent Communist takeovers of Governments in our hemisphere in particular and promote free market Democracies an example of arrogance? This has to be one of those "you're kidding me right?"

    How are we arrogant in Iraq? If anything we removed an arrogant tyrant who laughed at the world and the UN and felt he could continue to defy the UN body’s resolutions for decades more. This also was a tyrant armed to the teeth by the Communist Soviet Union in an effort to extend their influence in the region.

    Lebanon? How are we arrogant towards Lebanon; this should be good for a laugh or an "are you kidding me?"

    Haiti? How are we arrogant towards Haiti; this should be good for a laugh or an "are you kidding me?"

    Nicaragua? How are we arrogant towards Nicaragua; this should be good for a laugh or an "are you kidding me?"

    Honduras? How are we arrogant towards Honduras; this should be good for a laugh or an "are you kidding me?"

    Panama? How are we arrogant towards Panama; this should be good for a laugh or an "are you kidding me?"

    Somali? How are we arrogant towards Somali; this should be good for a laugh or an "are you kidding me?"

    Georgia? How are we arrogant towards Georgia; this should be good for a laugh or an "are you kidding me?"

    Philippines? How are we arrogant towards Philippines; this should be good for a laugh or an "are you kidding me?"

    Columbia? How are we arrogant towards Columbia; this should be good for a laugh or an "are you kidding me?"

    Grenada? How are we arrogant towards Grenada; this should be good for a laugh or an "are you kidding me?"

    Cuba? How are we arrogant towards Cuba; this should be good for a laugh or an "are you kidding me?"

    Any of the above South American nations we could have dominated and taken over and removed their governments with ease. Our policy has been strictly to support regimes to prevent them from being overthrown by Communists.

    Arab-Israeli conflicts? How are we arrogant towards Arab-Israeli conflicts; this should be good for a laugh or an "are you kidding me?"

    In the particular issues of the Middle East, it requires historical ignorance at best to suggest that the US was the cause of all the issues and territorial fighting going on.

    I look forward to specific examples in each of the above to prove your inane suggestion that America has somehow been arrogant towards it's South American neighbors instead of accommodating to those regimes that refuted Communism.

    Being that you apparently are an apologist for Communism, perhaps a lecture on what is good about Communism in your mind is also in order.

    Simplistic one liners just don’t do it for me dude.

    Carry on.

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    Re: Are we an arrogant country?

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    So supporting despots in S america is justified? Bombing cities to find one man that results in thousands of deaths is justified? Standing by and watching civilians get slaughtered because our preisdent was too scared for his political career to do anything about it is justified?
    That an intentionally vague enemy of communism and terrorism is a viable reason for any action for any administration?

    Some actions were reasonable and justified. Some were not. We are not an infallible beacon of righteuosness nor are we the Great Satan. Own up to and admit our mistakes and wrong doings while praising and glorifying our noble accomplishments. That is all.
    Your narrow minded, myopic and selective outrage against America has been noted; as is your obvious denial of how communism/tyranny/terrorism/dictatorships are implemented.

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    Re: Are we an arrogant country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    It's much older than the fight against terrorism, we're great at installing tinpot dictators in murderous regimes in other countries when they do what we want, then as soon as they decide they don't have to listen to us, we go and wipe them out.
    Many times it is a hard choice between a dictator who actually allows citizens to have free access to markets and freedom to come and go and allowing Communist dictators who shut down freedoms, access and runs their nations into the ground.

    I think when we look at our actions historically and in context, they don't illustrate arrogance, merely an effort to protect OUR interests and those of our neighbors from tyranny.

    I am sure the Saddam/Terrorist apologists of the forum think otherwise, but if anything, Cuba is an example of the OTHER choice and it doesn't work well for their people or, in the example during Kennedy's Presidency, our security.

    These are people who despise our way of life, human rights and freedoms; there is no reason to support regimes that would supplant them if it is a choice between the lesser of two evils.

    The Shah of Iran has been described historically as a tyrant; yet under his regime Iranians prospered and were allowed freedoms they can only dream of now. It took a Democrat President which allowed the current terrorist supporting regime to take power we now see in Iran. It took a Democrat Congress to allow the North Vietnamese to breach all their treaties with us and the South and allow Communism to take hold in Southeast Asia; millions dying as a result.

    How did that all work out for us? Not too good when placed in historical perspective. China will never be our "friend." It will only be a convenience as long as they allow selective abuse of their cheap labor. Russia will never be our "friend." They will always remain jealous of their third world position in the world. Europeans will never be our "friend." They will always be envious of our global power and influence which supplanted their Imperialist ambitions, not to mention our benevolent treatment of the victors and vanquished after World War II. I am sure many Frenchman hated to see Germany become an industrialized power house in Europe over their own ineptness and would be quick to blame the US.

    So please demagogue the actions of American within historical context. I am not suggesting that we did not commit our own set of atrocities becoming the nation we have become; but that is in our distant past and in some cases, the civil war for example, the price paid in blood far exceeds the need to dwell on past injustices in my opinion.

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    Re: Are we an arrogant country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    The question isn't about what the Russians do, it's about how the United States acts. Regardless of Russia's actions, our responsibility for our actions is our own, we can't blame them and say two wrongs make a right. The fact is, both the US and USSR spent a great deal of the Cold War propping up sympathetic regimes and trying to impose their pet political systems worldwide in the bizarre belief that their way is automatically the best for everyone, screw the wishes of the native population. The Russians wanted to oppose capitalism and force communism on everyone they could, the U.S. wanted to do the opposite and both sides were utterly blinded by their irrational hatred of the other that they did some really idiotic things. That's why we ended up supporting the Taliban, because they were fighting the Russians and the enemy of our enemy must automatically be our friend. That's why we supported the Shah in Iran. That's why so many of these tinpot dictators that we've propped up have come back to haunt us in the end, we spent a lot of years trying to get them damn Russkis at every turn.

    Maybe if we had stopped to think about what we were doing along the way, we wouldn't have made so many mistakes.
    What is missing in your diatribe and willful denial is that had the Communists not attempted to overthrow governments to supplant them with Communist dictatorships, the US would not have involved itself in nations or political elements in opposition.

    It was not OUR actions that prompted the "cold" war people; it was the Soviet Union and Communist China.

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