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    Re: Should schools include gay sex as part of sex education curriculum?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    Ok here's what I say:

    Schools should have the ability to "define" gay sex FOR students. My main point was that if students ask about gay sex in school, why should it be ignored? Why not make it part of the sex-ed class, even if it's just a small part. Schools teach about nearly everything else, why leave it out?

    That was my main question.
    OK, but what, in this context, is "gay sex"? Are you asking about merely defining homosexuality in literal terms, or are you talking about something else?
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    Re: Should schools include gay sex as part of sex education curriculum?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Yes, you have. The "no risk" part had to do with students masturbating, not being taught masturbation.

    Sex with others is a risky activity because of the possibility of pregnancy and the spread of disease.

    Masturbation is not. A student exploring masturbation on his/her own isn't at any health risk. Thus, there's nothing in particular about it which warrants more than a passing, clinical mention.
    I agree with this in principle. In a discussion of risk, we want to emphasize those activities which would be of greatest risk and have the greatest consequences. Which is why I've argued all along that it's so critical to explain the high risk of male-male anal intercourse.

    Some have made the case that it's sufficient to explain that anal intercourse is risky, while leaving out the very obvious fact that homosexual anal intercourse is far more risky than heterosexual anal intercourse. I didn't find any of those arguments convincing.

    As far as masturbation goes... I'm not sure I agree that it need only be mentioned in passing. In fact, I think if we examine the 'social policy' aspect of masturbation, it might even be beneficial to encourage it.


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    Re: Should schools include gay sex as part of sex education curriculum?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    I agree with this in principle. In a discussion of risk, we want to emphasize those activities which would be of greatest risk and have the greatest consequences. Which is why I've argued all along that it's so critical to explain the high risk of male-male anal intercourse.

    Some have made the case that it's sufficient to explain that anal intercourse is risky, while leaving out the very obvious fact that homosexual anal intercourse is far more risky than heterosexual anal intercourse. I didn't find any of those arguments convincing.

    As far as masturbation goes... I'm not sure I agree that it need only be mentioned in passing. In fact, I think if we examine the 'social policy' aspect of masturbation, it might even be beneficial to encourage it.

    so you want to tell a confused gay kid, who is having trouble coming out of the closet, and being comfortable with his sexuality, that not only is anal sex is risky, but if you perform MSM anal sex its very VERY VERY risky
    how about you wheel in a guy dying from AIDS to drive home your enlightened education

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    Re: Should schools include gay sex as part of sex education curriculum?

    Quote Originally Posted by DeeJayH View Post
    so you want to tell a confused gay kid, who is having trouble coming out of the closet, and being comfortable with his sexuality, that not only is anal sex is risky, but if you perform MSM anal sex its very VERY VERY risky
    how about you wheel in a guy dying from AIDS to drive home your enlightened education
    As a gay teen in school, I was most confused and concerned because homosexuality was never spoken about. I think if there'd been an open discussion about sexual orientation I might have been less confused about the whole thing. And I think a healthy discussion in the classroom about AIDS would be a good counter-balance to any misinformation these students might have gotten elsewhere. Face it, by the time teens hit sex ed most of them have already got some knowledge about sex. Many have already experimented to some extent or another. The goal is to make sure the knowledge they have is accurate and useful and will help them make appropriate choices.

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    Re: Should schools include gay sex as part of sex education curriculum?

    If you want to have a gay class, then have it separate. I don't see any need in having everyone come in there and have to listen to a lecture on homosexuality. I don't want my 11 year old listening to this. I'm sorry, but as a parent, that's the way it is. Nothing personal, but I have certain things that I don't want my children purposefully exposed to. TV and other media are enough.
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    Re: Should schools include gay sex as part of sex education curriculum?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    If you want to have a gay class, then have it separate. I don't see any need in having everyone come in there and have to listen to a lecture on homosexuality. I don't want my 11 year old listening to this. I'm sorry, but as a parent, that's the way it is. Nothing personal, but I have certain things that I don't want my children purposefully exposed to. TV and other media are enough.
    I've tried to make pretty clear in my posts that I'm talking about sex education for teenagers, many of whom are already sexually active, or will be soon. I don't know how many public schools teach sex ed to 11 year olds. I imagine few or none. We're generally talking about 15-17 year olds.

    I do remember in my 5th grade that the girls were pulled out of class for a 'girls only' lecture. The boys later figured out that it was about menstruation. The teachers would not or could not tell us. It was kept a secret.

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    Re: Should schools include gay sex as part of sex education curriculum?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    OK, but what, in this context, is "gay sex"? Are you asking about merely defining homosexuality in literal terms, or are you talking about something else?
    It is difficult to define "gay sex" when people ask for the definition. I would say this depends on opinion mainly.

    I consider "gay sex" as sexual activity of any kind between two people of the same sex.

    I think I'm slowly understanding what you are saying, I think I just need to see your response to this post to get it.


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    Re: Should schools include gay sex as part of sex education curriculum?

    How much time is devoted to sex ed? When I went to school it was a short section of my health class. They discussed the health ramifications. Using a condom to prevent STD and/or pregnancy. The inherent risks of the various forms of penetration and why they exist.

    Overall, it was pretty gender neutral when it could be. We were told to always use a condom, regardless of the type of penetrative sex. Oral, vaginal, Anal, ocular (skull-****ing) whatever.

    OK, so Skull-****ing wasn't part of the curriculum, but the way it was taught, it may as well have been because the terminology was regarding ALL penetrative sex. They even told us to use them for oral sex, but I don't think anyone listened.

    There was no hetero bias when they discussed anal sex. It was treated as a mechanical act. Everyone has an anus. That's assumed. They used terms like "recipient" instead of gender biased terms when discussing Anal sex.

    I can't imagine the mechanics of ass-****ing being different when the "recipient" is male vs. female.

    So I guess my experiences in sex-ed are such that I don't understand the gripe about a lack of gay sex in the curriculum. Do gay people have sex that is totally and completely different than straight people?

    If anything, I'm guessing only lesbians could say that with any degree of accuracy because "scissoring" was not discussed in my health class. Nor were the methods of protection that should be used during that act discussed.

    Personally, had they taught that, I'd have had wanking material for like two months when I was 15 thinking about some of the girls in class doing that to each other, but that's just me.

    So I guess my main question is for the people who want "gay" sex to be part of the curriculum:

    What do you think should be added from what currently exists (which was pretty neutral based on my own experience in high school way back in the late 20th century)?

    Should they have a special section devoted to Barbara Streisand's music and how it apparently arouses homosexual males while having the opposite effect with straight males?

    What could possibly be added that changes the curriculum to "include" gay sex outside of a gender neutral description of the risks of anal sex and how to protect one's self?

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    Re: Should schools include gay sex as part of sex education curriculum?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    It is difficult to define "gay sex" when people ask for the definition. I would say this depends on opinion mainly.

    I consider "gay sex" as sexual activity of any kind between two people of the same sex.

    I think I'm slowly understanding what you are saying, I think I just need to see your response to this post to get it.
    How can I "respond" when you can't tell me what the question is?

    Honestly, I have a very, very hard time believing all of my posts up to now have been so bloody opaque.
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    Re: Should schools include gay sex as part of sex education curriculum?

    homosexuality has nothing to do with the AIDS rate being higher if anal sex in engaged in
    homosexuality, and the confusion it brings to young gay people, is the confusion about being attracted to the same sex, unlike the overwhelming majority of their peers that are attracted to the opposite sex(more than likely just like their parents) In the humble opinion of a Straight male

    STD risks associated with anal sex has nothing to do with homosexuality and
    homosexuality has nothing to do with anal sex
    there is no reason that a discussion of gays must include anal sex and aids
    you are packaging what is not necessary.

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    How the hell did you just tie in a retroactive reparative measure with a proactive preventative measure. Not even close to being the same thing.

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