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    Re: Should schools include gay sex as part of sex education curriculum?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    No, I do not.

    I mean that characterizing any sex as either "gay sex" or "straight sex" is discriminatory. The sexual orientation aspect is simply not relevant.
    Good point. Ill be honest ive really changed my view on the subject. Ive been seeing a lot of really good arguments, especially celticlords. Sexual orientation isnt relevant, and characterization of gay/straight sex really is not neccessary within the school. Simply put, its not like gay sex requires differerent health measures. Therefore, how to have safe "sex" (as a general term) being taught in schools is more than sufficient.

    A very minor insignificant part of the population is sexually attracted to animals,prepubescent children,robots, their relatives and are into all kinds of other sexual fetishes. Should we teach about beastiaility/Zoophilia ,pedophilia,technosexuality, genetic sexuality/incest and a whole bunch of other sexual attractions and desires?
    1/10 people are gay. Hardly minor or "insignificant", whatever thats supposed to mean.
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    Re: Should schools include gay sex as part of sex education curriculum?

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    1/10 people are gay. Hardly minor or "insignificant", whatever thats supposed to mean.
    Somehow I doubt that 10% of people are "gay;" at least in America, anyway.

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    Re: Should schools include gay sex as part of sex education curriculum?

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletWounD View Post
    Somehow I doubt that 10% of people are "gay;" at least in America, anyway.
    Statistically, 3%-7% of the world population is gay. This has been pretty consistent for a long time.
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    Re: Should schools include gay sex as part of sex education curriculum?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    A very minor insignificant part of the population is sexually attracted to animals,prepubescent children,robots, their relatives and are into all kinds of other sexual fetishes. Should we teach about beastiaility/Zoophilia ,pedophilia,technosexuality, genetic sexuality/incest and a whole bunch of other sexual attractions and desires?
    This is a very good question that I've often seen raised in these discussions. And in answering, let me turn the question around just a bit. What would we think if a 17 or 18-y/o student graduated from the public school and did not know the meaning of the word fetish, or the word bestiality, or pedophilia, or could not explain the difference between a transexual and a bisexual individual? Would we find that a good thing or would we think their education had suffered somewhere along the way? Should a student understand the meaning of sexual abuse and/or rape? Should a student entering college or university have an understanding about why we have online 'sex offender registries?' Or would it be better for young adults to have no knowledge about these things?

    Human sexuality in all its forms plays an important and complex role in society. And ignorance of things sexual, whether we find them appealing or revolting, would reflect, in my mind, a serious lack of understanding of human sociology. These issues are sensitive, I understand. But to put them all in a box and mark them 'off-limits' for the public classroom seems unreasonable. It seems that the real question is at what age are these issues appropriate to teach, and what classroom context is most appropriate for their discussion.

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    Re: Should schools include gay sex as part of sex education curriculum?

    My opinion is shifting towards the blief that it should be adressed as a fact of life. There is no point in sweeping it under the rug. Some people in that class will probably end up having gay sex. I think compassion, or at least tolerance should be encouraged as general themes. I also think the dangers (statistical tendancy towards std's) of gay sex should be delt with bluntly. I dont see what there is to fear.

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    Re: Should schools include gay sex as part of sex education curriculum?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    This is a very good question that I've often seen raised in these discussions. And in answering, let me turn the question around just a bit. What would we think if a 17 or 18-y/o student graduated from the public school and did not know the meaning of the word fetish, or the word bestiality, or pedophilia, or could not explain the difference between a transexual and a bisexual individual? Would we find that a good thing or would we think their education had suffered somewhere along the way? Should a student understand the meaning of sexual abuse and/or rape? Should a student entering college or university have an understanding about why we have online 'sex offender registries?' Or would it be better for young adults to have no knowledge about these things?
    While as a general rule, more knowledge is better than less, your question sidesteps the central question of whether such knowledge is appropriate for a school--in particular a public, taxpayer-supported school--to teach (note: the one exception in the topics you listed is the meaning of sexual abuse and/or rape; as I have mentioned earlier in this thread that should be a part of sex education).

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    Human sexuality in all its forms plays an important and complex role in society. And ignorance of things sexual, whether we find them appealing or revolting, would reflect, in my mind, a serious lack of understanding of human sociology. These issues are sensitive, I understand. But to put them all in a box and mark them 'off-limits' for the public classroom seems unreasonable. It seems that the real question is at what age are these issues appropriate to teach, and what classroom context is most appropriate for their discussion.
    Human sexuality is important and it is complex, but I submit it is insufficiently understood for teaching, especially to children. What makes a person "gay"? Are sex offender registries a proper societal response to sexual crime? Are fetishes and paraphilias "ok", or are they mental disorders (keep in mind that a variety of sexual urges and desires are still listed the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)? When is it "ok" for a person to begin engaging in sexual activity (keep in mind the age of consent varies widely from as low as 14 in some states up to the age of majority in others)?

    Moreover, regardless of our personal beliefs and attitudes on sexuality, many of these topics have religious ramifications for a great many people. The Bible and the Koran are both quite clear on the topic of homosexuality--it's wrong, don't do it. If a parent, because of their particular moral code, finds certain sexual practices to be perverse and repugnant, and desires the lesson their child receives to reflect that moral perspective, a public school in particular has no right to teach contrary to the parent's perspective.

    Regardless of how enlightening knowledge of human sexuality may be, I am unable to see how a school can present a curriculum of human sexuality that does not intrude into those moral and ethical domains which of right and necessity fall to parents to teach. The moment a topic acquires a moral dimension, it is no longer appropriate for a public school system to teach that topic.

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    Re: Should schools include gay sex as part of sex education curriculum?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Statistically, 3%-7% of the world population is gay. This has been pretty consistent for a long time.
    3% is a little closer to my personal experience although intuitively I would think it's less than that. I've known hundreds of people and I can only think of three that I've personally known that are openly gay. Do you have a source for these statistics?

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    Re: Should schools include gay sex as part of sex education curriculum?

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletWounD View Post
    3% is a little closer to my personal experience although intuitively I would think it's less than that. I've known hundreds of people and I can only think of three that I've personally known that are openly gay. Do you have a source for these statistics?
    Dont forget the ones we dont know about. Its very likely you have met many homosexual people that you couldnt pick up on or are just "in the closet", if you understand what i mean.
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    Re: Should schools include gay sex as part of sex education curriculum?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    While as a general rule, more knowledge is better than less, your question sidesteps the central question of whether such knowledge is appropriate for a school--in particular a public, taxpayer-supported school--to teach (note: the one exception in the topics you listed is the meaning of sexual abuse and/or rape; as I have mentioned earlier in this thread that should be a part of sex education).
    Well you've sidestepped the answer it seems. Does it seem reasonable to you that a public school graduate should be ignorant of the meanings of the words fetish, bestiality or pedophilia?

    Human sexuality is important and it is complex, but I submit it is insufficiently understood for teaching, especially to children. What makes a person "gay"? Are sex offender registries a proper societal response to sexual crime? Are fetishes and paraphilias "ok", or are they mental disorders (keep in mind that a variety of sexual urges and desires are still listed the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)? When is it "ok" for a person to begin engaging in sexual activity (keep in mind the age of consent varies widely from as low as 14 in some states up to the age of majority in others)?

    Moreover, regardless of our personal beliefs and attitudes on sexuality, many of these topics have religious ramifications for a great many people. The Bible and the Koran are both quite clear on the topic of homosexuality--it's wrong, don't do it. If a parent, because of their particular moral code, finds certain sexual practices to be perverse and repugnant, and desires the lesson their child receives to reflect that moral perspective, a public school in particular has no right to teach contrary to the parent's perspective.

    Regardless of how enlightening knowledge of human sexuality may be, I am unable to see how a school can present a curriculum of human sexuality that does not intrude into those moral and ethical domains which of right and necessity fall to parents to teach. The moment a topic acquires a moral dimension, it is no longer appropriate for a public school system to teach that topic.
    Those are all fine questions. But I'll await first your response to my question above.

    Edit to add: So as not to waste time, I'll pose my next question now. Would it seem reasonable to you for a public school graduate to be ignorant of the following words?

    Adultery
    Idolatry
    Sloth
    Perversion
    Heresy
    Damnation
    Sin
    Venial
    Torture
    Sabbath
    Pride
    Inquisition
    Gluttony
    Fornication

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    Re: Should schools include gay sex as part of sex education curriculum?

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Dont forget the ones we dont know about. Its very likely you have met many homosexual people that you couldnt pick up on or are just "in the closet", if you understand what i mean.
    I wont deny the possibility but how could the number of these people ever be measured for statistical analysis in any meaningful way?

    I just remembered another person, a lesbian. She was married for something like 40 years and had kids before announcing that she was a lesbian. So that makes 4.

    I've known a couple "bi-sexuals" (equal opportunity sluts ) but these people were flaky, with a history of abuse, so I don't really know what's up with them.

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