I'm here because Facebook isn't an efficient enough time-waster
Can't... stop... now... I've got him/her pinned to the wall of reason, I swear...
If there notable debaters and stubborn you got no chance.
"If religious instruction were not allowed until the child had attained the age of reason, we would be living in quite a different world" - Christopher Hitchens
> Good to be back, but I'm only visiting for a few weeks. <
My point of view has changed in a debate here before.
Many times actually.
My views on a variety of issues have changed or shifted on this forum a few times as I've talked and listened to people and even sometimes when I've had to defend my position and thoughts and realized, through doing so, that I didn't even buy my own reasonings.
I think when you come to a debate honestly and try to actually enter it objectively you can sometimes learn that some of your views may be there not based on reason, or logic, but simply because that's what you've always just believed...because. And through this it forces you to either find real reasons you support this, or you come to understand other things.
Debating with both conservatives and liberals actually caused this for me in a number of ways. There are a number of issues where I was raised to believe one thing, but once I was old enough to start thinking about it I realized I had this view for no other reason than that was how I've always known it. Gay Marriage, laws regarding content, drug laws, and others are examples of these. Due to the debate on this site, from both sides, I was forced to examine these views I held and have either since chanced them, or have discovered my reasons for supporting them (Which often times come about for reasons still rooted in the same principles that I was brought up on, but for completely different reasons).
I think some of my favorite threads on these forums are the ones where you actually see someone from another side acknowledging, maybe not agreeing but at least acknowledging an understanding of, the other sides view points.
The most significant "change" of position for me was going from "Ron Paul is a loon" to "Many of Ron Paul's fans are loons, and his iraq war stance is looney, but I think I'll actually vote for the guy". Thanks to Vauge and a few other Paul supporters here that frankly weren't conspiracy theory, superior than you, sheeple spewing, nut jobs are the ones that turned me onto him enough to research him and learn that over all he was the closest to my views in the primary. If not for this site, I wouldn't have cast the first Presidential level vote in my adult life that I didn't feel as if I was going for the "lesser" of a group of evils and "settling".
As far as changing peoples minds, I think its difficult often. The closest I've been was convincing some posters that were hugely against the PATRIOT Act that as a whole, the Act is a useful and needed piece of legislation, that needs specific pieces of it pulled back rather than scrapping the entire act.
Last edited by Zyphlin; 04-07-09 at 12:46 PM.
You down with TPP?
Sometimes, I just want to vent about something.
Last edited by aps; 04-07-09 at 12:53 PM.
I admit sometimes I find myself hoping to actually change people's minds, especially on issues I believe strongly about. It's hard not to at least try. I appreciate different and diverse opinions, but truth and logic are universal among rational men. If I notice a logical fallacy or factual inaccuracy that hasn't already been corrected by another poster, I almost feel like ignoring it would be doing the world a disservice or something. I guess I'm OCD like that. Maybe I need help.