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Thread: Converting Other Debaters

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    Re: Converting Other Debaters

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    This is an awesome punctuation mark for my post (especially since I have been arguing for legalizing so prolifically here).

    Thank you!
    You're welcome. I wish I had some right now.

    OBL 11/24/02

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    Re: Converting Other Debaters

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    I have changed positions based on these debates and am presently, slowly, coming to a new position on another issue (legalized pot) as a result of reading these exchanges.
    You're one of the people I was referring to whose positions were "mellowed."

    Another, right off the top of my head, is Jerry.

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    Re: Converting Other Debaters

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    holy ****, where was that at?
    You'll have to ask the captain. His ability to find old threads is far better than my own.

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    Re: Converting Other Debaters

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    The case with Captain Courtesy is easy to believe as he is already a head doctor anyways, he just did a huge favor to whoever that guy decides to hire when he goes to "seek help"
    Yeah, well, I said it was the first reversal I've seen on an online forum. Where it goes beyond that I do not claim to know.

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    Re: Converting Other Debaters

    If there notable debaters and stubborn you got no chance.
    "If religious instruction were not allowed until the child had attained the age of reason, we would be living in quite a different world" - Christopher Hitchens
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    Re: Converting Other Debaters

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    holy ****, where was that at?
    Tah dah!

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/archiv...ilia-hate.html

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    Re: Converting Other Debaters

    My point of view has changed in a debate here before.

    Many times actually.

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    Re: Converting Other Debaters

    My views on a variety of issues have changed or shifted on this forum a few times as I've talked and listened to people and even sometimes when I've had to defend my position and thoughts and realized, through doing so, that I didn't even buy my own reasonings.

    I think when you come to a debate honestly and try to actually enter it objectively you can sometimes learn that some of your views may be there not based on reason, or logic, but simply because that's what you've always just believed...because. And through this it forces you to either find real reasons you support this, or you come to understand other things.

    Debating with both conservatives and liberals actually caused this for me in a number of ways. There are a number of issues where I was raised to believe one thing, but once I was old enough to start thinking about it I realized I had this view for no other reason than that was how I've always known it. Gay Marriage, laws regarding content, drug laws, and others are examples of these. Due to the debate on this site, from both sides, I was forced to examine these views I held and have either since chanced them, or have discovered my reasons for supporting them (Which often times come about for reasons still rooted in the same principles that I was brought up on, but for completely different reasons).

    I think some of my favorite threads on these forums are the ones where you actually see someone from another side acknowledging, maybe not agreeing but at least acknowledging an understanding of, the other sides view points.

    The most significant "change" of position for me was going from "Ron Paul is a loon" to "Many of Ron Paul's fans are loons, and his iraq war stance is looney, but I think I'll actually vote for the guy". Thanks to Vauge and a few other Paul supporters here that frankly weren't conspiracy theory, superior than you, sheeple spewing, nut jobs are the ones that turned me onto him enough to research him and learn that over all he was the closest to my views in the primary. If not for this site, I wouldn't have cast the first Presidential level vote in my adult life that I didn't feel as if I was going for the "lesser" of a group of evils and "settling".

    As far as changing peoples minds, I think its difficult often. The closest I've been was convincing some posters that were hugely against the PATRIOT Act that as a whole, the Act is a useful and needed piece of legislation, that needs specific pieces of it pulled back rather than scrapping the entire act.
    Last edited by Zyphlin; 04-07-09 at 12:46 PM.
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    Re: Converting Other Debaters

    Quote Originally Posted by Edify_Always_In_All_Ways View Post
    This is a question for everyone here, nonpartisan and partisan alike.

    In these endless hours of debate we engage in, the thousands of posts we write, all our reasoning, all our anger and anguish, do you believe we will ever convince the "other side" of anything?

    Liberals: do you think you will get JamesRage to start waving rainbow flags? Goobieman to give up his guns? Gill to accept global warming? Felicity to hand women back their wombs? CelticLord to cheer President Obama on with the stimulus plan?

    Conservatives: Will you ever get SeargantStinger to admire Bush or even give him a half-decent smiley? Will DisneyDude ever let go of the flaws of the old Administration? Will NewCoupForYou ever be persuaded to try women for a change? Will Kandahar shout down the Kyoto Protocol? Will Rivvrat shed a tear for discarded fetuses?

    I'm not sure how many people have changed their minds after reading a post on these boards, but unless I count myself I'm pretty sure I could use one hand, minus the pinky, ring, middle and forefingers. Truly, I often wonder what the point is.
    For me, I just liking reading other points of view because they are views that I hadn't thought of/considered, and I genuinely learn something. I have never understood the point of arguing in order to convince others to agree with me. I'd like to think that people will understand my point of view, which does not equate to agreeing with it.

    Sometimes, I just want to vent about something.
    Last edited by aps; 04-07-09 at 12:53 PM.

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    Re: Converting Other Debaters

    I admit sometimes I find myself hoping to actually change people's minds, especially on issues I believe strongly about. It's hard not to at least try. I appreciate different and diverse opinions, but truth and logic are universal among rational men. If I notice a logical fallacy or factual inaccuracy that hasn't already been corrected by another poster, I almost feel like ignoring it would be doing the world a disservice or something. I guess I'm OCD like that. Maybe I need help.

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