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    Re: Should child bearing be a controlled privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by Edify_Always_In_All_Ways View Post
    We don't let people put marijuana in their bodies. Why not have the same regulations for fetuses? They are, after all, a lot easier to detect and impossible to hide without destroying...

    Seriously, I'd love some kind of regulation on that, maybe to qualify for government assistance, and if your child is neglected due to your lack of license, they can be taken away quickly. There are too many uncaring parents out there.
    Yes that is the obvious solution; more power for the state over the fundamental relationships and associations of life! You are onto something there comrade.
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    Re: Should child bearing be a controlled privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by MsCommonSensiality View Post
    There should definitely be regulations on the right to bear children. There are too many people bringing children into the world when they aren't even capable of taking care of themselves. It's not right.
    I agree with the sentiment, but I just can't think of any sensible way of enforcing it. Even the most benign methods, such as requiring means and values testing before allowing children to be taken home from the hospital are to prone to bias and corruption that a sensible person has no choice but to reject them out of hand.

    Quote Originally Posted by MsCommonSensiality View Post
    I wish so badly there was a way someone could monitor everyone in the country at once, but there isn't.
    Monitor them for what, having sex? You really want the government monitoring you in your bedroom and deciding whether or not you're allowed to have sex?

    Quote Originally Posted by lawshume View Post
    It's the only way to achieve a peaceful resolution to the supremacist impulse, which is genetic.
    Yes, it's genetic. It's also inherent to the human species and only barely controlled in some highly restricted and conditioned portions of the population.

    What is wrong with the supremacist impulse, that it needs to be resolved peacefully or otherwise? The impulse toward domination is one of the most powerful motivators of all human progress.

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Only a fascist would want that kind of invasive, impractical, all-encompassing government control over our own bodies.
    As a fascist, I resent that remark. I wouldn't want the government to have this level of control over society even if I were in charge of the government. It is, as you say, simply too impractical and invasive to seriously consider.

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    That said, I do think that women on public assistance should be required to use the pill, or have an IUD put in, or *something* to help prevent them from having MORE children while on government assistance.
    I'd support this. Clear objective criteria, simple enforcement, and very little potential for abuse. Not to mention that it would clearly serve eugenic purposes alongside social concerns.

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    Re: Should child bearing be a controlled privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by MsCommonSensiality View Post
    There should definitely be regulations on the right to bear children. There are too many people bringing children into the world when they aren't even capable of taking care of themselves. It's not right. I'm not just talking about teenagers, either. I'm only 17 and I could raise children better than all my friends parents can. I'd bet my life on that.
    Being allowed to have children should be a privilage, not a right. Especially for stupid, incompetant morons.
    I wish so badly there was a way someone could monitor everyone in the country at once, but there isn't.
    More irresponsible people are going to continue to pop out babies and there's nothing anyone can do about it. I know no one outside of my own family who does a good job parenting. I'm so sick of my friends' stupid parents. They know absolutely nothing!
    Also, I think that as long as someone isn't a total douche-bag and is financially stable, they should be able to have a child if they really want one.
    If there were to be a test, it'd be long as hell.
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    Anyone who failed, though, would have one more chance and then have to sterilize themselves.
    For me, that'd be very ideal. You can't blame a girl for wishing.
    Yes I can blame you for wishing. I don't want anyone like you having a right to vote in this country. You are worse than a communist. Not even the Russians went as far as you want to. Your sound like an unhinged radical.
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    Re: Should child bearing be a controlled privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    My country controlling my reproductive organs? ROFL no, I think not. Only a fascist would want that kind of invasive, impractical, all-encompassing government control over our own bodies.
    How did you go from this...

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrat View Post
    That said, I do think that women on public assistance should be required to use the pill, or have an IUD put in, or *something* to help prevent them from having MORE children while on government assistance.
    To this?

    The people on welfare is a must in my view too, but I would like to see it taken a step farther. If this was implimented it would help out america be a much better country in many ways. Especially socially and financially. This would greatly raise the average education level of our children spinning off to make america a much smarter and stronger country.

    This would set a tangent to benefit this country in many ways not directly related. It's not easy to recognize all the eventual benefits at first unless you see the path to follow after the first steps are taken.
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    Re: Should child bearing be a controlled privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Yes I can blame you for wishing. I don't want anyone like you having a right to vote in this country. You are worse than a communist. Not even the Russians went as far as you want to. Your sound like an unhinged radical.
    How can you say this when she is on the right track?

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    Re: Should child bearing be a controlled privilege?

    In general, I'd be against this.

    I will say however, that as long as we're having massive government assistance into things like welfare and WIC and other such things that for those that choosen to concieve naturally but through scientific ways, I would be somewhat in favor of putting some kind of basic "ability to care/support" type test for those that are seeking such procedures and wish to be elligible for government funds.

    They could still have the different treatments without such assessments, but would forfeit the right to have the normal benefits assossiated with childbirth (like WIC) or the ability to claim the children in regards to welfare type purposes.

    The Octomom situation sickens me. A woman with no job, with next to no money, with kids ALREADY on the government dollar, saves what little money she has to not spend to take care of her kids but to pay someone to inject MORE into her to then have MORE kids that will further suck up the tax payers dime.

    We can not, and should not, moderate what people do through biological means. But I believe I would be more accepting of some kind of test for those seeking to go about it through SCIENTIFIC means and wishing to be able to lean on the government for assistance while doing such.

    Though this is precisely why I dislike these kind of government handout programs. Suddenly, things like this DOES become the tax payers concern, because we're the ones footing the bill for these peoples stupidity, immaturity, or selfishness.
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    Re: Should child bearing be a controlled privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Yes I can blame you for wishing. I don't want anyone like you having a right to vote in this country. You are worse than a communist. Not even the Russians went as far as you want to. Your sound like an unhinged radical.

    No, you really can't. So many people have children that they can't take care of, that they abuse and neglect, that they raise to be complete jerks. It's very rare that you find a competant set of parents. Why is it so wrong for me to wish that only good people were able to reproduce?
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    Re: Should child bearing be a controlled privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by MsCommonSensiality View Post
    No, you really can't. So many people have children that they can't take care of, that they abuse and neglect, that they raise to be complete jerks. It's very rare that you find a competant set of parents. Why is it so wrong for me to wish that only good people were able to reproduce?
    Unfortunately this country needs major reform on its family values.

    Seems as if nowadays every 5 years many people trade in their spouses for a new one. The fifty year aniversery is becoming more rare with each generation.

    Nowadays people easily divorce on a selfish whim with little consideration as to how who they married feels...or the children for that matter

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    Re: Should child bearing be a controlled privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Heck, since hospitals can, with the support of the state, refuse to release infants to their mothers unless the mother can prove, to the satisfaction of the state, that the parent is financially, emotionally and physically capable of caring for the infant properly, most of these kids will never go home in the first place.
    I see what you're saying. But what about the women who just have a home-birth? Not the good kind, either.
    Also, it's not that difficult to satisfy the state. Parents are only required to provide the minimum care for their kids. A roof over their head, some clothes on their backs and some food in their stomachs. There's nothing in the minimum requirements that says anything about nurturing and teaching. It's sad.
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    Re: Should child bearing be a controlled privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by MsCommonSensiality View Post
    There's nothing in the minimum requirements that says anything about nurturing and teaching. It's sad.
    That's because you can't measure those things. The only thing you get when you try to judge them is subjectivity and bias.

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