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Thread: Should child bearing be a controlled privilege?

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    Re: Should child bearing be a controlled privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    You really can't regulate a biological process.
    China seems to do it just fine.


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    Ingesting drugs is not a biological process, as it requires an outside source.
    So does getting pregnant.



    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Also, are you seriously advocating mandatory abortion?
    If it was established that a person/couple couldn't provide for all the needs of the child without relying on the state... yes.

    If it was decided that the country, or even the world was overpopulated for the amount of resources available... heck yes. (sans some major natural catastrophe(s), this will most likely happen.)

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    Re: Should child bearing be a controlled privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by creativedreams View Post
    Should there be regulations on the right to bear children?
    No.

    Perhaps being able to have kids should be looked upon like being a privilage like the right to drive a car?

    Should parent wannabe's be mandated to take a class and pass a test.
    And what government agency are you going to trust to decide who is or isn't fit to have kids? What are they going to teach in those classes exactly? There's enough controversy over the alleged "liberal" invasion of the public education system, I can't even imagine the outcry by conservatives if the subject matter of those classes and the requirements needed to pass the final test are viewed as too liberal.

    Should there be regulations on being able to qualify to bear children such as marriage, financial stability, minimum age limits etc.
    Aboslutely not. There is no guarantee that being married and financially stable makes you a good parent. Sure, it helps with the material side of things, but raising a child is about a lot more than what you can provide for them. What happens if people get divorced? Or fall on hard times? Does the state take the kids away from them?

    As for minimum age requirements, what happens when someone outside the approved age bracket gets pregnant? Mandatory abortion? Forcing them to give up the kid for adoption?

    Should it be imposed that a type birth control is mandatory until certain qualifications are met?
    And what happens when that birth control fails?

    This is a really bad idea all around. Not only does it infringe on people's basic reproductive freedom and takes away all personal responsibility on the matter, it also demands an intricate set of regulations that would eventually become impossible to manage. Short of systematically tying everyones tubes at birth, which would need a constitutional ammendment, I don't see how human reprodution could ever be efficently regulated.
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    Re: Should child bearing be a controlled privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by Coolguy View Post
    China seems to do it just fine.
    Oh, sure, by forcing people to kill their own offspring in the womb. I'm sure that idea's gonna be real popular in some conservative circles in the US.
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    Re: Should child bearing be a controlled privilege?

    Let’s give our government complete control. I’m sure we can learn a few things from China. What type of clothes should I wear? Who should I date? What type of food shall I eat? What type of items should I buy with my own money? Who should I be friends with? I’m thinking a government website or hotline can help.
    I guess the state owns our bodies, eh?
    Let’s forget the consent of the governed or the government by the people and for the people. Let’s be slaves.
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    Re: Should child bearing be a controlled privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    Oh, sure, by forcing people to kill their own offspring in the womb. I'm sure that idea's gonna be real popular in some conservative circles in the US.
    I seriously doubt it would.
    Can you not see a time (such as previously mentioned), when such measures may be implemented, just like they did in China?
    I can see it happening.



    Quote Originally Posted by peepnklown View Post
    Letís forget the consent of the governed or the government by the people and for the people. Letís be slaves.
    So, if a time comes when the country or the world does not have enough resources for the population to survive as a whole, you would rather let the population suffer instead of staving it off, by forced abortions?
    Last edited by Coolguy; 04-06-09 at 05:10 AM.

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    Re: Should child bearing be a controlled privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by Coolguy View Post
    I seriously doubt it would.
    Can you not see a time (such as previously mentioned), when such measures may be implemented, just like they did in China?
    I can see it happening.



    I can certainly see them try. As for any Western population silently accepting this without a fight, no, sorry, I can't see it.
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    Re: Should child bearing be a controlled privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by Coolguy View Post
    So, if a time comes when the country or the world does not have enough resources for the population to survive as a whole, you would rather let the population suffer instead of staving it off, by forced abortions?
    yes. I would by far rather let everyone suffer than select people to be picked off. survival of the fittest would not necessarily entail the irretrievable compromise of personal liberties. can't you at least recognize that the legal/civil ramifications of forced abortions don't compare with those of just letting the surplus population die off? or are you thinking that aborted babies are easier to dispose of than decaying corpses in the street? this is somewhat morbid.

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    Re: Should child bearing be a controlled privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    As for any Western population silently accepting this without a fight, no, sorry, I can't see it.
    If that time ever comes, because of changing attitudes, only a portion of the population would fight it.
    Hopefully, most people (which I seriously doubt), would be taking more steps to not bring a child into such a world.



    Quote Originally Posted by emdash View Post
    yes. I would by far rather let everyone suffer than select people to be picked off.
    Interesting.


    Quote Originally Posted by emdash View Post
    can't you at least recognize that the legal/civil ramifications of forced abortions don't compare with those of just letting the surplus population die off?
    If that time ever comes, to me, the moral obligation to not bring more children into the world trumps those ramifications. What I recognize is that those ramifications would be non-existent at that time because of the requirement. Changing times.


    Quote Originally Posted by emdash View Post
    or are you thinking that aborted babies are easier to dispose of than decaying corpses in the street? this is somewhat morbid.
    ???
    (I suppose then, that they could just let a person give birth, take it away, and just treat it like a 'surplus' person and let it rot away or turn it into food or fertilizer. )
    Resources goes much further than just food, but extends to every facet of life.
    Which route would conserve more resources? This is what the laws of the time would be based on.


    All I am saying is, if a time ever comes when the resources can not support the population, it will be inevitable that such steps as forced abortion, euthanasia, as well as forms of eugenics, will come into play. There is really no way around it. As resources further deplete the requirements of such will become more strict.
    If those times ever come, there will be a shift in attitude towards life in general and personal choice in this matter will be trumped by law.
    Last edited by Coolguy; 04-06-09 at 06:36 AM.

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    Re: Should child bearing be a controlled privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by Coolguy View Post
    If that time ever comes, to me, the moral obligation to not bring more children into the world trumps those ramifications. What I recognize is that those ramifications would be non-existent at that time because of the requirement. Changing times.

    ???
    (I suppose then, that they could just let a person give birth, take it away, and just treat it like a 'surplus' person and let it rot away or turn it into food or fertilizer. )
    Resources goes much further than just food, but extends to every facet of life.
    Which route would conserve more resources? This is what the laws of the time would be based on.


    All I am saying is, if a time ever comes when the resources can not support the population, it will be inevitable that such steps as forced abortion, euthanasia, as well as forms of eugenics, will come into play. There is really no way around it. As resources further deplete the requirements of such will become more strict.
    If those times ever come, there will be a shift in attitude towards life in general and personal choice in this matter will be trumped by law.
    thinking that it is inevitable and thinking that it should happen are not the same. it sounds to me as though you would place the obligation to not reproduce over the obligation not to kill other people, in such an overpopulated world. abortion aside, euthanasia and eugenics certainly suggest a disregard for human life that I find disturbing, if that is indeed your position. the laws of the time, as you said, would be based on conserving resources, but I would hope that I would not be the only person to reject systematic murder of the weak under any circumstances.

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    Re: Should child bearing be a controlled privilege?

    Its pretty much a horrible idea in every aspect.

    Its completely contrary to why this country was founded. We aren't supposed to seek government consent for things like this.
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