View Poll Results: What types of alternative lifestyles do you also support?

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  • Polygamy (One man several wives)

    24 61.54%
  • Polyandry (One wife several husbands)

    23 58.97%
  • Polyamory (One or more men, one or more women)

    25 64.10%
  • Open Marriage

    25 64.10%
  • None of the above

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    Re: For those who support gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Do you also support polygamy, polyandry, open marriages, and other non-traditional family structures?
    These types of relationships are already happening out there in the real world. Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't. They are definitely not for everyone and if made legal, I don't foresee any increase in their frequency at all.

    I absolutely support each and every one of them, just like I support gay marriage or any other relationship between consenting adults, with the possible exception of incestual realtionships.

    No one has ever been able to give me one single valid reason why government should forbid any of the above. I do agree with Cephus that the legal system would need to catch up real quick on the matters of child custody, divorce and inheritance to avoid a potential legal nightmare depending on how many people are involved.
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    Re: For those who support gay marriage

    Marriages between more than two people are never fair- nobody will ever end up treating each spouse equally. Furthermore, they are very mysogynistic in practice, since they are almost always between one man and several wives, which the man usually is dominant over. So no, I support none of the above. Quite frankly, that so many people support all of these slightly disturbs me (not that the DP members represent society as a whole, of course.)

    I do support gay marriage, though, simply because I think it's right. Gay people can't help their sexual preferences, it is almost definitely a genetic condition.
    Last edited by Dav; 04-05-09 at 12:06 PM.

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    Re: For those who support gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Marriages between more than two people are never fair- nobody will ever end up treating each spouse equally.
    That's why it needs to be legal, so it can be regulated and equality assured.

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    Re: For those who support gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Marriages between more than two people are never fair- nobody will ever end up treating each spouse equally.
    On what basis do you assert that "fair" treatment must be "equal" treatment? If all parties consent and are content within the relationship, how is "unfair"? If a plural marriage is the desire of all parties, how can it be anything but "fair"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Furthermore, they are very mysogynistic in practice, since they are almost always between one man and several wives, which the man usually is dominant over.
    First, within the United States, plural marriage strictly speaking is not practiced at all; bigamy is a crime in all 50 states.

    Second, even if the predominant form is polygamy rather than polyandry, how does that single fact render the practice innately misogynistic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    So no, I support none of the above. Quite frankly, that so many people support all of these slightly disturbs me (not that the DP members represent society as a whole, of course.)
    You are entitled to your opinion on the subject, and I presume you would staunchly advocate your right to such an opinion. Why you feel the need to take offense (be disturbed) that others hold differing opinions eludes me.

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    Re: For those who support gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Once we can come up with an equitable system for divorce of multiple-partner marriages, fine. Until then, it's simply not practical.
    Case law evolves reactively, not proactively--and necessarily so. Statutory law arises from needs and issues defined through public discourse, including the aforementioned case law.

    If these relationship structures are denied legal status, how do you propose deriving the equitable divorce and family law structures to address such concerns?

    Equitable treatment of the laws is always a necessity, but securing equitable treatment in statutory law requires prior free exercise of the relevant rights, privileges, and responsibilities.

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    Re: For those who support gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    On what basis do you assert that "fair" treatment must be "equal" treatment? If all parties consent and are content within the relationship, how is "unfair"? If a plural marriage is the desire of all parties, how can it be anything but "fair"?
    Peer pressure. People might feel forced into polygamy by their culture and the friends and family who practice it.
    First, within the United States, plural marriage strictly speaking is not practiced at all; bigamy is a crime in all 50 states.
    Yes, and what I'm saying is that I'd like to keep it that way.
    Second, even if the predominant form is polygamy rather than polyandry, how does that single fact render the practice innately misogynistic?
    Well, if the man's not marrying for love (which, if there's more than one of them, he probably isn't), there's obviously more he expects from his wives. Then they become like his servants.
    You are entitled to your opinion on the subject, and I presume you would staunchly advocate your right to such an opinion. Why you feel the need to take offense (be disturbed) that others hold differing opinions eludes me.
    That really is a good question... it's just a feeling. I can't really help it.

    Here's another question: if polygamy were practiced, how would children fit into the equation? Would it be okay for them to have more than 2 parents, or a father that is married to other women besides the child's mother?

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    Re: For those who support gay marriage

    I support them all, but keep it private, and don't expect govt or employers to give you any additional rights or benefits beyond the first "marriage"....
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    Re: For those who support gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    If these relationship structures are denied legal status, how do you propose deriving the equitable divorce and family law structures to address such concerns?
    The issue is, no one has even been able to suggest how it might happen, there are no good ideas upon which to work and we know, for a fact, that these cases will come up in the extremely near future if we legalized it today.

    As I said, I have no problem with any of it, but I don't want to drop a bombshell on the already overburdened court systems without having a clue what we might do in that situation.
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    Re: For those who support gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Peer pressure. People might feel forced into polygamy by their culture and the friends and family who practice it.
    Supposition and backwards reasoning. You are beginning from a conclusion that plural marriage is bad/unfair/unequal and contriving predicates to support the conclusion.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Well, if the man's not marrying for love (which, if there's more than one of them, he probably isn't), there's obviously more he expects from his wives. Then they become like his servants.
    Supposition and backwards reasoning. You are beginning from a conclusion that plural marriage is bad/unfair/unequal and contriving predicates to support the conclusion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    That really is a good question... it's just a feeling. I can't really help it.
    Nor can you avoid the practical consequence of that feeling obliterating the putative logic you offer up in defense of your position. Arguing from "feeling" and backfilling "reason" to support the feeling has a name: prejudice. (Literally, for it is the essence of "pre-judging")

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Here's another question: if polygamy were practiced, how would children fit into the equation? Would it be okay for them to have more than 2 parents, or a father that is married to other women besides the child's mother?
    Yes, it would be ok. Considering that such is the environment of children of divorced parents today, it is far less of a stretch from current norms than you might imagine.

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    Re: For those who support gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Supposition and backwards reasoning. You are beginning from a conclusion that plural marriage is bad/unfair/unequal and contriving predicates to support the conclusion.



    Supposition and backwards reasoning. You are beginning from a conclusion that plural marriage is bad/unfair/unequal and contriving predicates to support the conclusion.


    Nor can you avoid the practical consequence of that feeling obliterating the putative logic you offer up in defense of your position. Arguing from "feeling" and backfilling "reason" to support the feeling has a name: prejudice. (Literally, for it is the essence of "pre-judging")
    “Reason is, and ought only to be the slave of the passions, and can never pretend to any other office than to serve and obey them”. - David Hume
    Of course, that's a topic for a whole other thread, so I'll stop there.

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