scottyz

IIRC the CIA has concluded that torture is an ineffective way of gathering good information. The victim will tell you whatever he/she thinks will make the pain stop.

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jallman

I would say that use of truth serums and other drugs to make the subject more pliable would be acceptable. Causing discomfort in relation to living quarters, denial of privacy, isolation, sleep deprivation, short term starvation, non scarring or permanently debilitating physical pain, any form of mental torture...all of these would be acceptable. These are the risks in time of war for high ranking officers. I just dont see anything illogical or wrong about the use of some subdued forms of torture when they are performed by trained staff.

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Gandhi>Bush

I certianly do.

I think we should America should be the shining light of th world. I don't think it is ethical to do such things to people no matter their position of rank in an enemy army or what kind of information we might recieve.

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jallman

I can understand your view, but you are also coming at this from an extreme pacifism and I am not. I am not advocating for brutal torture of every soldier captured, but I am saying that some force is acceptable to make a high ranking officer or espionage agent more pliable.

Gandhi>Bush

What are the benefits of making him more pliable?

Donkey1499

I say no; to physical torture anyways. Mental torture (like making someone look at a naked pic of Rosie O'Donnel) is good for if you need some info. But if they won't talk, then let them rot in prison, if you have enough evidence to convict them. But usually when someone calls fer a lawyer, they're guilty of something. But doing physical torture (like burns or beatings) should not be done by the US or anyone. It is barbaric and just lowers one's standards to the level of the enemy (in this case, the terrorists).

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Calm2Chaos

Do whats needed to get the information to save innocent lives. Not all prisoners, but depending on the prisoner and the information, ya gotta do what ya gotta do

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Gandhi>Bush

No, you don't do whatever you have to do. We're America. Do we really want to be reduced to such things?

Donkey1499

I'd rather kill them on the battle field than take prisoners. NO SURVIVORS!!!!
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I know, let's arm our military with spit balls to make ppl like Gandhi>Shrub happy! What a novel idea!!! LMAO