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Thread: Addiction: Crime or Health Issue

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    Re: Addiction: Crime or Health Issue

    Quote Originally Posted by MrFungus420 View Post
    The biggest drug problem is prohibition.
    Sure legalize all drugs so its abuse can spread like the plague and place even more burden on the average worker to support these scatter brains that end up manic depressive, etc. via social security, mental health programs, plus
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    Re: Addiction: Crime or Health Issue

    Addiction is both a health problem and a criminal problem. And the problems vary from drug to drug. Even without prohibition, alcohol causes a huge criminal problem as a result of violence, sexual abuse, among other issues. Smoking may not directly cause criminal activity, but it causes quite a few medical problems.

    There's not a drug out there that doesn't carry some baggage with it. If there were a drug that made us all happy, harmonious, productive and generally improved the level of functioning of our society... every society would have already embraced it.


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    Re: Addiction: Crime or Health Issue

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    Addiction is both a health problem and a criminal problem. And the problems vary from drug to drug. Even without prohibition, alcohol causes a huge criminal problem as a result of violence, sexual abuse, among other issues. Smoking may not directly cause criminal activity, but it causes quite a few medical problems.

    There's not a drug out there that doesn't carry some baggage with it. If there were a drug that made us all happy, harmonious, productive and generally improved the level of functioning of our society... every society would have already embraced it.

    Hmm...this reminds me of a "Huey Luis and the News" song

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    Re: Addiction: Crime or Health Issue

    Quote Originally Posted by creativedreams View Post
    Sure legalize all drugs so its abuse can spread like the plague and place even more burden on the average worker to support these scatter brains that end up manic depressive, etc. via social security, mental health programs, plus
    Easy enough to deal with.

    Stop taxing the worker to support the useless.

    Sounds fair to me.

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    Re: Addiction: Crime or Health Issue

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Easy enough to deal with.

    Stop taxing the worker to support the useless.

    Sounds fair to me.
    In theory that sounds great. Unfortunately the 'useless', if left to their vices, eventually resort to anti-social activities, such as panhandling, petty crime, or more dangerous means to feed and clothe themselves.

    So the taxpaying workers end up footing a bill one way or the other.


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    Re: Addiction: Crime or Health Issue

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    In theory that sounds great. Unfortunately the 'useless', if left to their vices, eventually resort to anti-social activities, such as panhandling, petty crime, or more dangerous means to feed and clothe themselves.

    So the taxpaying workers end up footing a bill one way or the other.


    Then you shoot their asses when they break into your house, and you feed them garbage if they get put in jail, and you make being in prison so damn upleasant that they don't want to go there, ever. Prisoners need exercise? Okay...let 'em walk around in circles until they collapse, don't give them free-weights to bulk up with.

    It's not the taxpayers' job to coddle these things. If they want to be anti-social, fine, show them that we really really know what it means to be anti-anti-social, too.

    I'd much rather pay for the incarceration of criminals who've committed real crimes against others than pay the hundred of billions of dollars that have been wasted trying to stop people from putting chemicals in their bodies, an effort that has led to ever expanding violations of the Constitution at every single level of government.

    At least the petty thief has committed a real crime.

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    Re: Addiction: Crime or Health Issue

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Then you shoot their asses when they break into your house, and you feed them garbage if they get put in jail, and you make being in prison so damn upleasant that they don't want to go there, ever. Prisoners need exercise? Okay...let 'em walk around in circles until they collapse, don't give them free-weights to bulk up with.
    Oh, I won't argue with you on this point. I believe our prison systems are a mess.


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    Re: Addiction: Crime or Health Issue

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Drug addiction is...not my problem. I should neither taxed to prevent it, nor taxed to treat it, nor taxed to subsidize it (ie, tobacco growing subsidies).
    I fully agree, unfortunately under the current prohibition, Drugs are everyone's problem, and we are paying for them, heavily.

    I fully support heavy taxation of intoxicants, tobacco, alcohol, marijuana, heroin, you name it. Let the users themselves pay via taxes for the self imposed issues that can potentially occur, treatment, health care, all can be offset via taxation, we can take this problem off form the shoulders of the entire nation, and place it on those who choose to accept the risks of their own behaviors for themselves.

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    Re: Addiction: Crime or Health Issue

    Well, I can't really answer the question as posed since the only "drug problem" we have is the fact that they're illegal. (Thanks Nixon, you dumbass!)

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    Re: Addiction: Crime or Health Issue

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    I fully agree, unfortunately under the current prohibition, Drugs are everyone's problem, and we are paying for them, heavily.

    I fully support heavy taxation of intoxicants, tobacco, alcohol, marijuana, heroin, you name it. Let the users themselves pay via taxes for the self imposed issues that can potentially occur, treatment, health care, all can be offset via taxation, we can take this problem off form the shoulders of the entire nation, and place it on those who choose to accept the risks of their own behaviors for themselves.
    Unfortunately with many addicts the problem eventually lands right back on the taxpayers' shoulders anyway. My uncle was an Ivy-league educated man who ended up drinking himself to death. The family could only do so much, short of having him committed I suppose, which wasn't an option until the very sad end of many problematic years. His private health insurance covered his hospitalizations up to a point... but after numerous legal, financial, and an onslaught of related health issues... he ended up on medicaid and Social Security in the end.

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